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[-] Arthur_Leywin@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

You don't need milk. You do need gas though.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

We don't "need" milk in the sense that it is not necessary for our survival. We need milk in order to keep eating and drinking the things we enjoy eating and drinking. And I don't think it is unreasonable to expect milk in your tea and your cereal.

[-] Adalast@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

No, you do need milk. Don't let the capitalist propaganda engine tell you that comfort and contentment are not necessary for life. To even insinuate that having milk to put on cereal or in tea is some sort of luxury or indulgence that you should be able to cut out is lunacy. Human beings need comfort as much as we need socialization for emotional and mental maintenance. We need fun and enjoyment. That is why even in modern hunter-gatherer tribes the workload is less than half of ours and they all have full bellies and spend the rest of their time pursuing leisure activities and spending time with their family/community.

(not accusing the person you are replying to, they are a victim too)

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I don't disagree with you at all. I was sort of trying to say that myself but you put it much better than I did. I can live without any comfort if it means that or death, but it sure would take a toll on me. That's why solitary confinement is such torture.

[-] Adalast@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I guess my sleep-deprived ass is just lurking lemme looking for good lessons to which to attach a little eloquence.

[-] Arthur_Leywin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Capitalist propaganda engine? Do you hear yourself? Say those words out loud and tell me your not a looney conspiracy theorist. What propaganda? XD

Is it propaganda to say most mammals do not keep drinking milk after they're babies? Is it also propaganda to say things like broccoli, kale, nuts and seeds are calcium alternatives? Is it propaganda that the vitamin D can be obtained from fish, sunlight, and liver? Explain what this propaganda machine is. 🤡

[-] Adalast@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I wish we were on Reddit so I could /r/woosh you. Did you even read the comment? The comment has literally nothing to do with the milk. I also acknowledged that you weren't some asshat shill, but perhaps I was too forgiving.

[-] Arthur_Leywin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You talked about milk for most of the comment. Also, people on Lemmy unironically talk like you did so I assumed you were one of those "capitalism is the reason for every bad thing" kind of people.

[-] Adalast@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I indicated that the idea that something trivial being considered a luxury or indulgence that could be eliminated was asinine, milk happened to be the pertinent example in the discussion. Everyone else seemed to get that.

Also, most people seem to understand what about our world is propaganda. Just out of curiosity, how old are you? I'm making no judgements, just wondering.

Not every bad thing. Capitalism has its place, but the extent to which most of the populace idolizes it is unreasonable. My economic philosophy is what is known as Moral Capitalism. Essentially, make money, but don't do it at the expense or detriment of people or the environment. Don't abuse employees, don't abuse customers, don't abuse the community, don't abuse the planet. And I am using the dictionary definition of abuse here: to treat in a harmful, injurious, or offensive way. We the public are offended by the number of ads we have shoved down our throats every day. We the employees are harmed by the stress that unrealistic deadlines and low wages cause. We the community are injured by the manipulation of legislation such that we are not allowed to protect ourselves from predatory and aggressive contracts that we are forced to sign every day that we have no choice in if we want to continue functioning in society.

And there is 100% a propaganda machine operating in the foreground of our world that is acting on behalf if the amoral capitalist institutions that are in control of everything. Republicans, marketing, PR. Articles being posted telling poor people that if they are struggling to make ends meet they can just start skipping meals instead of demanding fair pay. The whole Avacado Toast misdirect. Anytime you see the working poor being blamed for their existence instead of outrage at employers who siphon off 33-50% of the irreplaceable hours of their employee's day and don't pay enough for those hours that said employee is not destitute, that is the Capitalist Propaganda Engine. Everyone who works full time should be making enough that they can survive easily. Not lead a life of luxury, but not have to worry about the next 3 months rent, save for a vacation next year, not have to use food stamps to eat, and not have to skip meals so their child can eat. Period. End of discussion. If an employer can't pay their employees at least that much, then they should not be in business. This is the floor, the bare minimum. Just because you started a business does not automatically mean it should succeed. The same is not true to be a worker. Just because you work full-time, you should be able to survive with minimal financial stress. If you have additional training, certifications, specialized skills, etc. you can claim you deserve the lap of luxury.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Capitalist propaganda tells us that we don't "need" anything and that all of those things you're talking about are luxuries. Food? That's a luxury. Clothes? That's a luxury too. Water? You better believe you don't need that, you selfish little piggie!

(also, tbh they didn't specify the milk has to come from an animal. plant milk is milk!)

[-] Arthur_Leywin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

You don't "need" it to keep eating and drinking. I don't know what you mean.

[-] lazyslacker@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

There are plenty of people for whom this is not a true statement.

[-] Arthur_Leywin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago
[-] lazyslacker@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Everyone who doesn't own a gas powered car.

[-] Arthur_Leywin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

There are more people who need gas for their cars than electricity. If you want to be the "akchually☝️🤓" guy then sure you're right. But you know what I meant and you're just being annoying.

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