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submitted 11 months ago by spaceghoti@lemmy.one to c/politics@lemmy.world

In a tense game of chicken, remarkable for its mix of petulance and audacity, congressional Republicans are threatening to halt U.S. aid to Ukraine—guaranteeing a Russian breakthrough and possible victory in that war—unless Democrats help pass a bill that all but locks down America’s Southern border.

If the impasse isn’t resolved by the end of next week, when Congress goes on recess until the new year, the Ukrainian army could run out of ammunition. President Joe Biden could resupply the arsenal from U.S. stockpiles without legislative approval, but the move would be temporary, and the signal sent—that Ukraine, and by implication other allies, can no longer count on U.S. support in a pinch—could be a holiday cork-popper for Russian President Vladimir Putin and all of our other adversaries.

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[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 134 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Throughout history, conservatives have always supported genocide. Harming the vulnerable brings genuine joy to conservatives. You can see this in their movies, comedy and news media. They thrive on the misery of others.

Be careful in your dealings with conservatives. They do not value the lives of others the way a normal person does.

[-] hh93@lemm.ee 17 points 11 months ago

The most basic difference between "left" and "right" on the political spectrum is that left-leaning people believe every human is worth the same and should get the same chances while right wing people believe humans are fundamentally different and the ones on the top deserve their place as much as the ones on the bottom.

That's also why so many libertarians (or just recently proclaimed anarcho capitalists) are actually right-wing since they believe in unequal distribution of chances and quality of life based on capitalist principles and it's also why moderates that claim to be neither right nor left usually lean more right

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Then why are the Democrats supporting genocide? That ain’t Trump’s state department and UN ambassador vetoing a ceasefire.

The US deputy ambassador, Richard Mills, said the US would not give up on its aim of removing Hamas, explaining America wanted “to break the cycle of unceasing violence so that history does not keep repeating itself”. He said a ceasefire now “would only plant the seeds for the next war because Hamas has no desire to see a durable peace. Our goal should not be to stop the war for today but to stop the war for ever”.

[-] docAvid@midwest.social 23 points 11 months ago

Because the Democrats are conservatives.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

That’s a bingo! But what are they conserving? Is it capitalist hegemony in the world? We’ll never know.

[-] toomanypancakes@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago
[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Can you have too many pancakes? They’re delicious.

[-] indepndnt@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Your comment has nothing to do with the comment you are replying to.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago
[-] indepndnt@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

lol you're all over the board

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Au contraire. Judging by the downvotes, I’m exactly where I need to be.

[-] Shiggles@sh.itjust.works 23 points 11 months ago

I think they meant that you’re so terminally online I can read a comment and recognize your garbage takes no matter where I go

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

If my takes are garbage, just ignore them. But you don’t, because they’re not. There’s genocides happening around the world, and you’re complaining about someone being terminally online? SMFH

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

What have you done about them?

[-] aniki@lemm.ee 8 points 11 months ago

He posted a spicy worthless hot-take on an irrelevant corner of the internet! take that, libcucks!

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Did you just imply that you’re irrelevant? Lol. Why are you even commenting if my “takes” are worthless? By taking the time to address my “take,” you validate them, thus cucking yourself. The choice to ignore me is always available.

[-] aniki@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago
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[-] SCB@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago
[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Haha, you’re right.

[-] ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Personally I think they're desperately trying to keep the Jewish vote... no other reason. It's horrible pandering.

[-] pandacoder@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think that's part of it, but I the government is also using Israel as a proxy, and we do have silicon manufacturing there. The government has a vested military and security interest in Israel (money and power is far more important, the votes are a bonus).

Unlike all of the other countries in the Middle East, Israel is surrounded only by enemies. Israel can't turn on the US without a replacement military superpower, so they're effectively bound to the US for guaranteed protection.

Example: Despite Iran's posturing they weren't going to attack knowing they'd get a military response from the US if they did. They almost certainly could get away with attacking a different country the US isn't protecting though without anything more than sanctions.

[-] ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

The US can support Israel's right to exist along with the Palestinians too and could pressure Israel to have a more reserved response that didn't kill so many Palestinian civilians. And in fact it's clear many in the administration want this. However as there are definitely ardent Israel supporters that have no empathy for the civilians plight and that have deep pockets and long memories, it appears Biden is very reluctant to offend them right before an election.

[-] pandacoder@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

None of this is mutually exclusive with what I said and you got really close to my point...

that have no empathy for the civilians plight and that have deep pockets

I keep seeing everyone talking about only a few groups:

  • those who do not give a shit about/hate Palestinians
  • those who only care about Israel
  • and those who actually give a shit about innocent people not suffering

I'm not seeing anyone mention the group of people who do not care about Israel as a people either and only want to protect their money and power and view Israel as a tool to do so.

That last group is currently escaping the headlines which are essentially all about people who are vocally pro-/anti-Israel or pro-/anti-Palestinians and not about the group who care about neither. The last group needs more attention because they will be funding the next war too.

[-] SoleInvictus@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

I think the issue here, hence why you're getting dragged, is Democrat ≠ progressive, therefore your comment is a bit of a non sequitur.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

It is a non sequitur. I just found it odd to scorn conservatives for genocide while not mentioning that Democrats are actively abetting a current one.

[-] SoleInvictus@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think it's a non sequitur because American Democrats ARE conservatives, as is noted later. With that in mind, the comment chain reads as:

Them: Conservatives have always supported genocide.

You: Then why is the other conservative group supporting genocide?

I believe a significant chunk of the site agrees with you regarding the subject matter, I'm just pointing out why I believe it's not going over well. Take it or leave it, I'm just trying to provide constructive criticism.

Edit: shit, i read your comment as "it is not a non sequitur". I'm too tired, words hard, leaving original comment for posterity.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Don’t apologize for being secure enough to apologize. There is so much negativity on here, that you absorb it without realizing. Much love 💕

[-] SoleInvictus@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

I know! The movie Lady Ballers? Seriously, what the fuck is going on there. I get that comedy often comes at the expense of someone, even if it's just the comic or a fictional character or situation, but that movie... It's cruel humor that dehumanizes people and mocks their pain. Anyone who supports it is a rotten person.

[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago
[-] aniki@lemm.ee 22 points 11 months ago

No it isn't. That's the whole fucking point.

[-] SoleInvictus@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The irony of this statement (in the Greek sense) is palpable.

[-] cheesebag@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Maybe. Probably some. But I think it's more accurate to say that for a lot of then, the suffering is acceptable.

On the Left Right and Center podcast, the conservative Rich Lowry once said it was ridiculous to say Republicans hate children. I think that's true in the sense of, if you left a baby alone in a room with a Republican, it would be ok. But if that Republican could earn a penny of profit from killing that kid, you better start planning that funeral cause they're toast.

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