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[-] orrk@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

ah yes, game theory, the every man's justification for the flavor of foreign policy made popular by the literal Nazis, yes Realpolitik (in this context) was heavily pushed by Nazis and war criminals the world over, after all it thrives on homogenizing any groups, justifies collateral punishments, along with expansionist empires, and oppressing minority populations.

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Game theory & realpolitik = Nazis? Also absurd. You don't seem to have a good understanding of what defined the Nazis, because you keep invoking them for ridiculous comparisons. Hitler liked puppies, liking puppies does not make one meaningfully Hitler-like.

I'm talking about acknowledging the reality of their situation and the likely behaviors and reactions of each actor. Game theory & realpolitik. Something every nation should do.

[-] orrk@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

game theory in the realm of international relations is just an attempt to quantify realpolitik, and should have little if no place in advising the actions of moral society.

And other than of course the fact that Realpolitik is heavily influenced by and influenced the works of prominent Nazi thinkers such as Rosenberg, it justifies the imperialistic conquest and even genocide of one's neighbor should they not align with your political will, it is a failed ideology that spawns only evil, literally.

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Realpolitik is the approach of conducting diplomatic or political policies based primarily on considerations of given circumstances and factors, rather than strictly following ideological, moral, or ethical premises. In this respect, it shares aspects of its philosophical approach with those of realism and pragmatism. It is often simply referred to as pragmatism in politics, e.g. "pursuing pragmatic policies" or "realistic policies".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik

Acknowledging political realities isn't owned by nor generally associated with Nazism. In fact their downfall can be attributed to not acknowledging political realities due to batshit racial theories. Even in Germany, realpolitik predates them and is generally associated with Otto Von Bismarck. You're reaching, obviously incorrect, and unwilling to admit it. Maybe next time don't be so quick to invoke Godwin's law.

[-] orrk@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

sure, in theory EVERYTHING is a good thing, if you go by the idealized version of everything.

and while I don't agree with everything many Liberals say, Kraut has a very good critique of the ideology

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