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Do you know how apathetic I feel when my country gives hundreds of billions to fight this war and most of the people I know can’t afford to live? We work harder than ever, are as productive as ever, get so few days off, only to pay for bombs landing in countries we can’t even pick out on a map.
I want Ukraine to win. I want it badly. Ukraine will ask for more and more money so long as there is war. They will get it. Please don’t delay. So will genocidal Israel. And I will be living with my parents until I’m 30. Uncertain if I can afford healthcare.
I know who to be mad at and I want to feel good supporting just wars. But I go to pay my bills, I stand in line at the grocery store, I turn the heat off in my house, and all I hear are the bombs.
We are not "giving" hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine.
We are giving them mothballed weapons that are going to rot in a wearhouse somewhere, then replacing them with new weapons that are manufactured right here in the US and that industry whether you like it or not employs thousands of american workers.
Its important that this fight is won by Ukraine because:
A) a win by Russia and they control a MAJOR food producer and can affect food prices on a whim.
B) the US letting it happen proves we won't stick by any ally and our word is useless. Good luck finding help in a major war.
C) the US walking away gives a green light to China to invade Taiwan. Making them the sole producer of high-end computer chips.
There is so much at stake with this war. it's not even funny.
Like I said, I want them to win. It’s important they win. For all of the reasons you gave. All I’m saying is that it gets harder and harder to support and hope for others when I feel like my family is drowning and I know that my neighbors are too. I know a lot of it is weapons funding, some of it isn’t. I wish we treated the people at home as importantly as we do world conflicts, that’s all I’m saying. Does no one else feel that apathy?
My concern is that we can give Ukraine millions of dollars of small arms, artillery, aging tanks etc. but they still need capable personnel to effectively employ it. From what I have seen it seems they were already scraping the bottom of the barrel and pressing older and older men into service via conscription. We know the Russians aren't concerned about how many bodies they throw at the conflict because they have supplemented their own forces with convicts, political dissidents, and poor conscripts.
People like you always amaze me. Do you think if we didn't spend billions of dollars for this war then it would be used to help peo0le who can't afford to live? To Republicans, that's worse than aid to Ukraine.
Friend, I support Ukraine and the aid they’re getting. I don’t support republicans and never will. And I won’t do their work for them here. I don’t know how this got lost and turned into such a political thing, I was just expressing that our money for war is near endless and yet we have unaffordable housing. I want to fund Ukraine AND I want people around me taken care of. All I was pointing out is apathy and I know I’m not alone in that.
I appreachiate that, but the fact is there is a political line of resistance in helping the poor and Ukraine.
The same people who are making your life miserable also support the guys who start those wars.
I told you, I know who to be mad at.
Just like with Israel, the US "gives monetary aid" on the proviso that Ukraine turn around and hand it straight back in exchange for military supplies from US companies. Let's not pretend like the US and its defense industry isn't making out like bandits in this conflict and achieving the most cost effective US foreign policy intervention on Russia to date.