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What does Ukraine "winning" mean to you at this point in the war? When you're targeted by a much larger nation state that has every tactical advantage against you, you're going to lose.
Look at every nation the United States has invaded over the last 60 years. Would you say any of them won? When hundreds of thousands of your people die violent deaths, it's hard to declare victory. Even if you remain independent, you lose.
I would say that the US didn't win in Vietnam, Iraq, or Afghanistan. Everyone loses in all these cases except the nations on the sidelines.
So you would say the USSR won in Afghanistan?
Holy shit are you ignorant of history.