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Yawn.
Biden arranged a ceasefire and prisoner release and has at least discussed limiting or putting conditions on Israeli military aid, something Trump wouldn't even consider.
I'll also just leave these here;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger's_law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbard%E2%80%93Satterthwaite_theorem
It's great that you think you're fighting the good fight by paving the way for "I'm for Israel First" Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HZs-v0PR44
His entire career in the senate he voted for funding and is responsible for the death of thousands of children, you are as well with your votes. You zionists are not part of the left.
Your plan to change the voting system: vote for people who support the current voting system because it benefits them.
My plan to change the voting system: vote for candidates that support ranked choice voting.
That's still a worthless strategy if those people can't win right now, especially given the consequences of the right taking power. You will find yourself incapable of convincing me that Trump is worse than Biden.
Can't win if you don't vote for them. Much better than your strategy of voting for genocide and then yawning at the death of thousands of children.
Your votes for Democrats are what enables Trump to exist.
They can't win because no one votes for them. They peaked 20 years ago. Honestly, I'd have more respect if you were to simply eschew electoral politics altogether. That's at least a more principled stance. The Green Party isn't our savior any more than the Democrats are. At least the Democrats have a chance in this election, though, instead of some unclear future date which may never come. There are plenty of failed parties, the vast majority of which never got anywhere.
Your votes are what enables Trump to win, rather than merely exist.
Then vote for them.
Vote for another party then.
That's retarded. I have a vote and will always vote for the largest party with a good platform.
The threat of the Green party with your vote is the only way to pressure Democrats from the left. Your vote ensure we move right, great strategy.
Republicans wouldn't be in contention if The Dems weren't freely and openly corrupt because you vote for them without question.
I do. One with far better chances of at least limiting disaster right now instead of pie-in-the-sky notions of the Green Party coming to solve all of our issues one day. It'll be too late by then.
Certainly not when compared to the alternative of gassing it to the right under Trump. If you aren't frightened by the prospect of another Trump presidency right now, you aren't paying attention.
Not that party, you're voting for genocide, just accept that. There's other parties like the PSL. Literally any left vote outside the duopoly is better than voting for right wingers like you do.
You're just naive and cant look towards the future, so in 28 you'll be saying the same argument and complaining that Dems aren't good. They don't change because you vote for them, meaning they don't have to change. It's very obvious, you are very dumb.
Cry like the baby you are. Heard the same in 2016, will hear the same in 2028, either way you must accept you are a right winger and vote for a right wing party.
Yeah, you just keep repeating the same absurdisms with no substance to help convince yourself you're above others.
You are dumb, you vote for genocide, you vote for the right, blah, blah, blah. Those are just words with nothing behind them, bud. I could say the same about you and be just as "correct" as you are. All you can do is lower yourself to name-calling because you can't think of anything intelligent to say.
You seem to be the one throwing a fit right now, so you calling me a baby is pretty rich.
It is true liberals use the same arguments to elect economically right wing democrats, you keep falling for it.
100% true if you vote for democrats who approve funding to Isreal, 3 bil a year.
Already sent you the links to prove that Isreal kills children, and how you vote for Dems that vote to approve funding billions to Isreal. You aren't mentally capable of accepting that, it's okay.
Go back and look at the book you sent because you're triggered that someone calls out your votes for right wingers.
You're here endlessly repeating the exact same talking points as seemingly your only persuasion, and yet you think that I fell for these arguments? Sounds like whatever political news "source" you use just makes the same talking points about the DNC instead of the GOP. If you claim that these arguments are necessary to "trick" voters, but you use them yourself to try to persuade me, then either you got tricked into supporting the Greens, or you're trying to trick me yourself.
Your refusal to vote tactically doesn't make you better or smarter than anyone else, if anything it indicates that your priorities are all out of order. It almost sounds like you hate Biden even more than Trump.
I got you to send a book right back lmao, all I had to do was call you too stupid to be able to. I wanted to see what I could write in about 10 minutes, the amount of time you said it would take to waste my vote. It was kinda fun.
If only we had politicians in the government right now calling for the end of Israeli aid. Oh wait...
Hypocritical of you since the only thing you have to say in response is "no this time I have to vote Dem because Trump"
I don't spend money on sending my message out, Dems do, and it clearly worked on you.
I am voting tactically. Dems have to move left to get my vote. When they move right, they get your vote.
Nope, I quickly quoted and debunked your CNN level talking points.
After consistently voting for it, and will vote for it next year as well. They care about killing little kids as much as you do.
I've been saying it should be Biden over Trump from the beginning and gave reasons for why I felt it should be so. There's no inconsistency there. You've just been calling the Dems far-right and then complaining that the Dems only get votes by calling their opponents far-right. That's hypocrisy plain as day. It doesn't matter if you spend money or not, you're still out here personally spreading the exact same message.
If you say so, bud. I provided verifiable facts with links that support my stance of why Biden is the better practical choice instead of Stein or Trump. You've just been doing whataboutisms this whole time.
Lol, that is 100% true, Dems are far right economically, and only get votes by calling their opponents far right on social issues.
What about Trump? What about facism? This time is for real!
Doubling down on the hypocrisy isn't going to help you. Here you are calling them far-right again. Which is it, is it a bad thing to scare up voters for yourselves by supposedly exaggerating the evils of your opponent, or something you find useful yourself? These are just empty words without anything to back them up, anyway. You haven't shown any of this or made any actual comparisons to the right, it's no more than an opinion. Why does the actual right hate Biden's economic policy if it's so far right?
Why not? You've certainly not provided anything that would convince me otherwise, you've just handwaved it away. It would be hard to argue that these are not unprecedented times for a long list of reasons. We've already personally witnessed Trump's appalling presidency and we've already witnessed his attempt at a coup to forcefully stay in office. It's certainly not impossible that he'd simply try again, and it's certainly not impossible it would work this time, having learned from past mistakes. This was just 3 years ago, it's still very relevant to now.
Incredibly ironic. You're the one making up hyprocritical arguments to vote for Dems. That ship has sailed, looks where its gotten us.
Lmao I'm the one stating facts here and you think you're Socrates. I've sent you examples of Dem policy being terrible, killing thousands of children, it's not a game.
For show. Biden has a long history of right wing economic policy, support of NAFTA being a good example. His recent breaking breaking of the rail strike shows how your vote gets your right wing policy now in real time. You chose this.
Trump is too incompetent to pull that off, having his dumb ass in the white house is a net positive for the world compared to having Anthony Blinken in charge of foreign policy now because Biden is asleep.
Again, I've always said it should be Biden on the basis that Biden wouldn't be as bad as Trump, despite Biden's clear flaws. That's what I'm still saying. You're the one continuously criticizing the Dems for using scare tactics to get votes, and then promptly doing exactly the same for yourself by baselessly calling the Dems "far-right" over and over.
Lmao you've done nothing of the kind, you just keep giving the same insane opinions. Something like, "Biden broke the UAW strike" is a fact and literally true, well done. That's the first fact in a good while, though. It's also just one example, so here's a counter-example. Trump took SNAP from nearly 700,000 people. Something like, "the DNC are far-right" is just an opinion and not literally true. You'd have a lot more work on your hands to be convincing in that regard when the real right is salivating at the thought of gutting programs like SNAP and Social Security right now.
More handwaving. He literally already came close to stopping the certification of his failure by force and has lots of help from his team of loyal strategists. This election really is like no other.
Never made that criticism you genuinely are making things up to feel make yourself feel better for losing this argument. I always said they are right wing economically, and referenced right wing economic policy. Once again your vote is why they don't move left, because they don't have to.
Have sent way more links and referenced actual policy like NAFTA that only a Dem like Clinton was able to pass after Republicans had been trying and failing.
I have stated several facts that you disregarded because they are facts, not because I care about convincing you.
It's not. You will use the same argument in 28 to justify your vote that drags our nation further to into privatization and neoliberalism that Biden made a career of. January 6 was not a real insurrection or else they would have guns and a plan to stay, not a bunch of idiots being let into the capital.
Who's making things up to feel better? Yeah, you accused them at least a few times of using scare tactics to gain favor, indicating that the threat isn't really there and that it's actually nothing to worry about. Then you use the same scare tactics that the DNC threatens to drag the US to the right.
You've sent 5 sources across like 28 comments, I've done over twice that. So what?
They did, among other weapons. They also had to be forced from the building before they left, they weren't leaving on their own. They also weren't just let in, there is footage everyone has seen of lines of riot cops fighting to prevent entry to the building itself.
Those are different arguments, and it's okay you can't comprehend that. Not everyone is cut out for this kind of analysis.
You are since you have not yet accepted that you vote is directly linked to genocide.
Not at all the same. When have I said that Dems are far right on social issues? Once again you're making things up to feel better about clearly being outclassed in this discussion since you are not able do independent research about the effects of your votes.
Not true, and your links have been irrelevant like how you didn't even know how party membership works and tried to use that to say the Green party is in decline when it is in a current surge of momentum from Cornell West considering running for the nomination.
LOL you don't even read the articles you post, there are literally no picture of weapons, just text.
That's literally all wrong, but ok, bud.
https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/vote-biden-genocide-gaza
Whatever, that's an opinion piece.
https://time.com/6340511/biden-israel-history/