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[-] Jaded@lemmy.dbzer0.com 70 points 2 years ago

I guess you would have a point if Israel didn't routinely bomb civilians and didn't routinely lie about it.

[-] crashfrog@lemm.ee 20 points 2 years ago

They don't routinely lie about it. They pre-drop little fliers that say "we're about to bomb here; if you don't want to die you better leave" and then they come back in a couple of days or weeks and bomb. What on Earth would they lie about? "Wow, a bomb went off right where we dropped leaflets saying it would, but it definitely wasn't us."

The only bombing they actually did lie about is this one, where Hamas beefed a rocket launch and struck one of their own hospitals and Israel said "yeah, we were active in the zone" before anyone knew it wasn't an Israeli weapon.

[-] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I've never understood how dropping a flyer on someone's house letting them know they're going to be bombed stops Hamas. What's stopping Hamas from fleeing as soon as they see the flyer?

The only person then impacted by the bombing is the guy whose house you bombed.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

They're willing to accept a lower success rate for a lower civilian casualty rate - isn't that exactly what you want?

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Riiight... the genocidal mass-murderers (supposedly) wants a "lower civilian casualty rate."

Riiight.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Perhaps the "genocidal mass murderers" is the part in error

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Perhaps the “genocidal mass murderers” is the part in error

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - I take it you have some?

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Lol sure. Palestinians will exist 5 years from now because this isn't genocide.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Oh, look... genocide denial from fascist sympathizers.

Do they make you in a factory somewhere?

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago
[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago
[-] SCB@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

This comment is pretty far out of left field my dude lol

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

No it isn't, apologist. You are a genocide denier and you know that perfectly well.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I don't follow at all dude sorry

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Are you now pretending you aren't a genocide denier?

[-] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

So they just want to destroy civilian property.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

There are significantly easier and less expensive ways to do that, so this seems unlikely

[-] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

3 billion in free money is pretty cheap for Israel.

[-] crashfrog@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

I've never understood how dropping a flyer on someone's house letting them know they're going to be bombed stops Hamas.

You can't move a tunnel entrance. Hamas can run away, but they're still going to get a building collapsed on top of the tunnel entrance.

[-] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Even Hamas admits to the existence of the tunnels. If it's to prove they exist I'm not sure what more proof we need.

[-] crashfrog@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

Did you reply to the wrong comment? Or something?

[-] Rakonat@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

They are bombing areas where intelligence gather puts Hamas activity, safe houses and other assets that can't easily be relocated. If Hamas tries to move military equipment,IDF is watching the area to strike when they come out in the open. If nobody leaves they strike the area as planned.

If you knew your neighbor had a rocket launch system in his basement they you personally saw him firing off towards a nearby city, and for reasons we won't discuss decided not to inform the authorities, and then one day woke up to your street being blanketed with fliers saying bombs were going to strike the location because of militant activity why would you stay?

[-] Goferking0@ttrpg.network 3 points 2 years ago

Almost like it's not actually designed to stop them

[-] answersplease77@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

"I'm going to rob your house and shoot all your family in 2 hrs okay?" I know you are innocent people that's why I told you I'll kill you in few hours /s . Wtf is this logic in first place!? It's terrorism.

Plus, so many kids and families died under these bombs and found cut up under rubbles because Israel doesn't even do that any more. Even before the war, they used to tell hospitals and huge residential buildings to evacuate in 1-2 hrs or be bombed. I can't even get up to work in 1 hr notice let alone evacuate a house or a full building.

[-] crashfrog@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

"I'm going to rob your house and shoot all your family in 2 hrs okay?"

They're not going to rob it; they're going to fucking bomb it, to achieve a military objective in a theater of war.

It really sucks that your house is in a theater of war! It's likely to be destroyed by the army you're at war with. War has really unfortunate knock-on effects; I recommend not starting a war of extermination against your neighbors.

Plus, so many kids and families died under these bombs and found cut up under rubbles because Israel doesn't even do that any more.

They still do it; it's just that Palestinians would rather die and kill their entire families in Israeli bombing than preserve life. Palestinians believe their lives are without value unless they're dying to kill Jews.

The only explanation for why Palestinians continue to huddle under bombs they're warned are coming is that they believe human life, including their own, is valueless. It's a sick culture, a death cult, and Israel is defending itself against it.

You absolutely could evacuate your house in an hour; Israel gives weeks. The huddle under the bombs regardless because they wish to die.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago

They pre-drop little fliers that say “we’re about to bomb here; if you don’t want to die you better leave” and then they come back in a couple of days or weeks and bomb.

They used to do that. They aren't in this war.

[-] crashfrog@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago

No, they're still doing it. The flyers have been on social media, even.

[-] Rakonat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=btLtYVZFlPI

This was from a week after Hamas started this war massacring civilians at a music festival and torturing survivors. They are still dropping fliers. Palestinian just refuse to acknowledge anything.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago

They're only occasionally doing them, and when they did they sometimes lead people to bombing locations.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

They actually dropped flyers for people to go to a refugee camp. The people who listened and went to the refugee camp then got bombed by israel in the camp.

[-] Rakonat@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

The fact you're getting downvoted so much is just another reminder how feelings matters more than facts to certain groups of people.

All sides in this war suck but the constant dogpiling against Israel when Hamas uses child labor to dig their tunnels is telling of how people view this conflict.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

They're being downvoted is because Israel was caught lying about it. Multiple times. And because Israel has bombed places without dropping flyers (or dropping flyers with wrong information) many times in this war.

[-] crashfrog@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

But they don't have to drop flyers at all! Indeed they probably shouldn't, in the hopes of catching Hamas by surprise. But even after Oct 7th they're trying as hard as they practically can to keep civilian casualties to a minimum even though they could end the war against Hamas a lot faster, and with fewer Israeli casualties, if they didn't.

Israeli Jews are bleeding in the streets to keep Gazans safe, and their repayment is unabated, universal antisemitism among Gazans. Incredible. Is there a more ungrateful people in existence than the Palestinians?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

What the fuck is wrong with you? I refuse to even engage with this, but like seriously, you should reflect on what you just said.

[-] crashfrog@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

Nothing's "wrong" with me. I'm telling you what is obviously true. Israel is fighting to preserve human life against enemies that completely disregard it.

No thinking person can look at what's going on in Gaza and disagree. I don't see how that's even possible.

[-] oak00@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

It’s wild seeing astroturfing from these accounts. That and the total dehumanization of Palestinians.

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