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On Friday, the globe hit 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees) above pre-industrial levels for the first time in recorded history

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[-] jray4559@lemmy.sdf.org 49 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

No duh, because not a single country has made any real attempt to lower their citizens' emissions.

It will take sacrifice from all of us to stop warming.

Forget 1.5°C, honestly, forget 2°C as well, keeping it under 3°C is likely the best that we can hope for right now. You're needing to throw out our gas-based car infrastructure, reduce our reliance on jets as much as possible, lower not just meat consumption but also almonds/alfalfa/etc., and that is just to get started.

Really, I don't see the average voter letting that happen. What's going to happen is eventually, sometime 30-40 years from now, a heat wave is gonna thrash the Middle East, consistent 130°F days for a solid month, 100,000 people dead, and the very next year planes will be in the air, making clouds to block the sun.

We are not ready to give up the things that the developed world will have to give up to truly back away from this coming apocalypse.

[-] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 8 points 11 months ago

The majority of emissions come from just a handful of large companies, even if every individual cut their carbon footprint to zero those companies would still continue to kill the planet. It's also easier to change the behaviour of some companies than every person on the planet.

[-] OurTragicUniverse@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago

But telling people to lower their emissions because the world is on fucking fire, is eugenics! /s

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Then we'll go too far and freeze the planet as foretold by the wise minds of Hollywood.

[-] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Planes are kinda necessary now and less of a convenience. I moved to Miami from NJ (where the rest of my family lives) and just came home today for Thanksgiving. Driving would have taken around 3 days/about 23 hours of total driving and cost a few hundred bucks in gas and maintenance costs. I flew home in under 3 hours and it cost me about $100.

My buddy in NJ married a British woman, so for her, if planes didn't exist her only option would be to take a boat home which easily takes a week or two, instead it takes her about 7 hours.

[-] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 17 points 11 months ago

The other option is to not expect to see people who live a plane flight away every year.

[-] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

So you're supposed to lessen your relationships just because you moved away?

[-] FatCrab@lemmy.one 7 points 11 months ago

We live in an age where you can literally talk face to face with virtually anyone, nearly anywhere in the world on a tiny rectangle in your pocket. Yes, we can all afford to travel a little less over long distances.

[-] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Not everyone has a smartphone or webcam, you, right? My father is 73 and has neither, he doesn't like to videochat because he feels it impersonal. My mom has a smartphone but doesn't video chat with anyone. So I'm just supposed to not see my parents for a year or more because they don't want to video chat?

[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Yes, that's how normal people live. Or, you know, HAVE FUCKING TRAINS.

[-] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

What you consider "normal" isn't exactly normal. This isn't the 1800s.

Umm you know that trains take energy to run right? The energy doesn't come out of thin air. Most trains either run off diesel fuel which is dirty as hell or they run off electric and that energy is usually from burning fossil fuels.

So your suggestion is "don't use this one method of transportation that burns fossil fuels, use this other method of transportation that takes longer and still burns fossil fuels!"

Really great argument you have there! 🤦‍♂️

[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

What you consider “normal” isn’t exactly normal.

Your American perspective is only a thin slice of the world. Don't be so conceited.

you know that trains take energy to run right?

Less energy per passenger, and the energy sources available are much more diverse.

run off electric and that energy is usually from burning fossil fuels. [sic]

In ass-backwards places, sure. You know Brazil, that country to the south of yours, with a comparable landmass and population? More than 85% of their electricity comes from renewable sources. I guess 'murica is too much of a shithole to figure this one out.

So your suggestion is “don’t use this one method of transportation that burns fossil fuels, use this other method of transportation that takes longer and still burns fossil fuels!” [sic]

So the implication is that you think the efficiency of a process is meaningless and the path to an outcome is unimportant (which is braindead). You may as well drop dead right now, then, since "you'll still die some day, anyway".

[-] darthfabulous42069@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

Planes are ubiquitous to the global north. They're not an American thing.

[-] jose1324@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Or just.. live closer together. You don't see Europeans fly from Germany to the other side just for a few family days

[-] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

So people aren't supposed to move anywhere in your opinion, and if you do,just forget about seeing them for years. The US is a hell of a lot bigger than any European country.

[-] jose1324@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Not that far and still expect to see family for every freaking occasion. I meant through Europe, if I'm Dutch and my family is in Spain, I'm not going for Christmas or whatever. Maybe once in a few years, or stay for a vacation not just a few days. That's idiotic.

[-] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Yes, wanting to see your family is idiotic 🙄

[-] jose1324@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Are you being purposefully obtuse?

[-] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

My parents are getting older and I want to see them as much as I can while still living where I want to. IMO its ridiculous to be like "live in a place you don't like because you want to see your family often or live where you want to and rarely see your family." There is a middle ground. Yo may be cool with seeing your family once a year, I'm not.

[-] jose1324@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I'm not either, that's why I live closer

[-] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago
[-] darthfabulous42069@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

So clearly we need a different solution than cutting back on emissions.

I'd argue we might have to start human expansion into space to have any real positive impact. A solar shade, for example, could block out enough sunlight to artificially prevent warming and stabilize the climate while we construct or seek out alternative energy resources.

[-] kablammy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

A solar shade, for example, could block out enough sunlight

Wouldn't this undermine solar-generated electricity?

[-] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 3 points 11 months ago

and our ability to grow food

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