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On Friday, the globe hit 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees) above pre-industrial levels for the first time in recorded history

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[-] F_Haxhausen@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago

Being vegan is the most impactful change that individuals can make.

But we won’t change.

It is totally hopeless.

[-] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 35 points 11 months ago

Systemic problems require systemic solutions. Hoping everyone collectively changes their behaviour isn't a solution unfortunately.

We have all the tools and technology to make a huge dent in this problem right now if not outright solve it. The most impactful thing you can do is spread awareness and do what you can to make this a voting issue if you live in a democracy. It could even be as simple is making it a non negotiable for how you choose to vote.

Lack of climate action needs to be a death sentence for the careers of the political class or it will become a death sentence for the the rest of us.

[-] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 27 points 11 months ago

I'll do you one better: don't have kids!

[-] rayyy@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Maybe Vote for candidates who won't FORCE people, and children, to have babies.

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[-] rentar42@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago

And if that's not enough, then at least there won't be any humans around to suffer through it!

But you're fighting against a fundamental urge of life here ... kinda hard to achieve that at a large scale. At least that's why I tell myself and my kid.

[-] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 5 points 11 months ago

Yea, you're absolutely right. Humans are just animals in the end. Tho it is important to remember that your impact is absolutely microscopic, and even if 95% of people suddenly had the willingness, income and ability to make such changes to their life..

..there would still be a market for it, and we'd barely make a dent in the problem. Big corporations and billionaires are so much worse

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago

malthusianism is gross.

[-] Locrin@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Yeah... after having a child we needed to double the size of our trashcan just because of diapers.

[-] OurTragicUniverse@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago
[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 11 points 11 months ago

What else were they going to use all those diapers for?

[-] Locrin@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago
[-] OurTragicUniverse@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Lmao, wow. That's bleak. I hope you tell your kid this, they're going to be living through collapse and you forced them into this because of fucking FOMO and peer pressure.

Yo here's some fun links from the World Economic Forum and United Nations for you:
Global freshwater demand will exceed supply 40% by 2030 and 90% of global top soil and arable land is at risk of depletion by 2050.

I hope you're proud of yourself.

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago

you're spreading eugenicist propaganda and you should stop.

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[-] kromem@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

Not having children is the most impactful individual change one can make, well over going vegan.

[-] F_Haxhausen@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Becoming a vegan anti-natalist is the most impact a person can make.

I am uncertain of the numbers regarding both individually. You might be right.

Personally, I think both are important.

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[-] nightofmichelinstars@sopuli.xyz 3 points 11 months ago

That's not really a change that an individual can make. Either you already have them or you don't.

[-] WhiteHawk@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

It's a choice you can make

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago

this is eugenicist propaganda. also, going vegan has no impact at all.

[-] F_Haxhausen@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

No it is not. Eugenics is an attempt to improve the genetic quality of a human population.

We are talking about an attempt to stop climate change. We are not trying to “improve” the genetics of human population.

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago

We are talking about an attempt to stop climate change

those are the trappings, but the method is bare eugenics

[-] F_Haxhausen@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

No it is not. Eugenics is a pseudo-science about improvement of genetics. Period.

Trying to avoid climate catastrophe is not about improving genetics.

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago

Eugenics is a pseudo-science about improvement of genetics. Period

no, it's not, even the wikipedia article we both love disputes this claim plainly.

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[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago

that's a narrow definition that doesn't really encompass all the ways in which eugenics has been practiced. frequently, as i have done here, it is used synonymously with genocide. stop practicing genocide.

[-] F_Haxhausen@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

No. Genocide is murdering people. Genocide is violence against people. Forcing people, against their will to stop existing.

Asking people to reproduce less is asking people (not forcing them) to exercise their own will.

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago

genocide is also propaganda that encourages one segment of the population to cease reproduction.

[-] WhiteHawk@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

that is true, but eugenics is something very different

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[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Braindead take. We don't need more children to be born into a world of suffering.

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[-] sirdorius@programming.dev 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

And the easiest. But even if all animal products were eliminated worldwide tomorrow, it would probably still not be enough for the emissions target. So individual changes do not make a dent in the problem.

[-] pan_troglodytes@programming.dev 8 points 11 months ago

regrettably, God made animals taste good.

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago

Being vegan is the most impactful change that individuals can make.

being vegan has no impact at all.

[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Are you joking? Industrial scale production of cow and pig meat are disastrous for the climate.

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