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You don't ask the psychopath stranger with a shotgun who installed in your living room to leave politely. Specially as he continuously moves his relatives armed to the teeth into other different rooms of your house and killing your family one by one. Israel started this beef in the XIX century with their Zionists BS. Now the people who were already living there are gagged, and bound in the basement. But we are supposed to feel bad for the psychopath when the hostage kicks and try to defend themselves. Hamas are terrorist monsters. But the IDF hands aren't free of blood. There are people on Israeli media calling for the genocide of all Palestinian people, this is just as bad as anti-semite Nazis during WWII. The fact that people can't see the hypocrisy is part of the problem. Israel could stop the apartheid state today. But they won't, because genocide is the plan, violence is the plan, division and aggression is the plan.
This level of sociopathic compartmentalization is concerning. It is 100% relevant to what we are talking about.
It is, the US dropped two nuclear bombs over japan after firebombing it for a year and killing million of civilians. They do have blood in their hands, there's no such thing as a righteous or just war. That's the worst legacy of the mythology of the WWII.
You're oversimplifying this shit in your head to get off of the idea of someone killing Muslim people. That's just weird man.
That was a good read/ explanation and funny. Thanks for making me laugh.
That's a lot of whataboutism. You can only pack so much into one argument, see. But constantly invoking WW2 nukes into every argument just shows how limited your logic is.
Lol
My answer still stands. If the US took the 4 billion they give to Israel and instead distributed aid to Palestinians, it would dramatically improve their lives and create the material conditions for their society to flourish. Sanction Israel like the world did South Africa to get rid of the apartheid state. The answer is equality and standard of living.
Edit: Something tells me you’re not gonna like my answer, because it doesn’t involve killing Arabs.
You didn’t write the answer down. Just because you don’t like the answer doesn’t mean it’s not the answer. There are many ways to cross a river, but a bridge is still the best option.
Love and empathy. You should try it. Best high you’ll ever get.
Then you don’t really have empathy.
Martin Luther King, Jr. and Ghandi found the answer. It is peace through love. I still highly suggest you write it down.
There is effective love, but chatting about love on the internet without doing anything kinda makes you look naive - and indeed, you likely are.
But if you have real love that can survive and contribute, then do it. Get involved. Learn Arabic, spend time in Palestine, spend time in Israel. Get to know people, and work on healing the underlying emotional scars that boil to the surface like this.
Until then, I may appreciate your love as 'nice', but it's not meaningful like you think it is unless you also back it up with will and power.
It's easy to sit on the sidelines and criticize, which at the very least flirts with being avoidant rather than loving. But if you love, and this is your calling, go do it.
That’s self righteous and unproductive. So, you can only love and show empathy in the places where it’s needed, when it’s needed? How magnanimous. Love anywhere spreads love everywhere.
Do as you wish. I think your take is ineffectual. But you're, of course, welcome to it. You'll just need to convince the people who are directly involved of the validity of your viewpoint. You will succeed, or live with what they do. But i think it's the latter, as people tend to ignore those who have strong opinions but aren't really willing to get involved.
Good luck.
I disagree. People like me protest. We are the ones who have pressured a pause, and still demand a ceasefire. And eventually an end to the apartheid. We will win in the end. Because love creates, and hate destroys.
It's not the duality you think it is. It's not love and hate, it's love and will. ..although hate may be involved for some, generally it's just survival and effective courses of action. Some situations have no effective courses of action, and there aren't enough loving people directly involved in the wielding of power to create new, mutually-beneficial courses of action using the insight that love can provide. So it continues in the best way people can see - which isn't always a clearly loving way.
You're welcome to protest. But when a person/group acting from love requests that a person/group acting from will do the job differently, but that person who loves isn't willing to apply their own will, it just rings hollow.
Hearts that appeal to power are just as culpable as powers that ignore their hearts. Period.
real Love - capital-L love - is capable of love and power, but isn't limited to either one. It gets hate, and yet knows the ineffectual nature of it. It seeks the best ways it can find, and implements them. It knows the tiredness of doing your best and finding no answer, and having to choose a course that's painful for yourself or others. It knows the joy of success when situations work out. It knows the sorrow of facing situations with no clear answer.
..and ultimately, it takes the criticism of those who don't understand the situation, and the emotional impact of the 'righteous' anger of those people who criticise, and uses it to learn and grow.
..and then continues on, because that's just another thing it can be, but isn't limited to being.
I like where you’re headed, though I ascribe more to materialism than existentialism. You might find this interesting.
My views in concept and praxis are a form of dialectics - However, i don't think Hegel was wrong to address the mind with it, nor do I think Marx was wrong to attempt to ground it in material reality. But Marx's conclusions aren't my own.
I utilize consciousness for direct and indirect action in life. It has a larger effect on objective reality than a materialist would generally credit, though not the absolute primacy credited to it by existentialists. But the Materialists and Existentialists are just another duality, each observing a layer of what is ultimately an infinitely recursive nested system of orders - a system that isn't quite chaos, but in which no specific implementation of order is comprehensive.
I'm not of the opinion that there is a definitive line between the internal and external realities. Rather, they form a kind of continuum, with the nearby bits being the next and prior things to become conscious of, and the faraway bits being the things I have already integrated, or that are so far removed from my current state that they are not yet noticeably relevant.
But isn't the place for society to two me what to do, nor vice versa. That's just one system directing another system. If it does so accurately, the other system responds. If it does so inaccurately, the other system does not respond. ..but that doesn't confer obligations onto either system.
Rather, personal need and sense of connection to society may cause an individual to act in favor of society, or for a society to act similarly towards an individual. Recognition of the benefits of harmonious living and of honesty may cause an individual or society to act accordingly.
But there is no obligation. There is only life, and death, what will be, and what will not. Fortunately, we tend to live longer when we find persinal meaning and value, and when we are in liveable circumstances. Sometimes, things get shitty, and we destroy them, or we break, or the circumstances break on their own.
Cultivating existences that one can enjoy, that one can share, is generally my jam. Trying to make things not exist isn't - but there's a time and pace for everything.
That’s reductionist but funny. That would make you, what? A conservative? Let me guess. A moderate centrist liberal? Know thyself.
Gandhi’s peace was not non-confrontational. He conducted mass protests, refusal of payment to authorities, and mass exodus from British commerce.
Throwing reference to his name as simply a “love of peace” is ignoring the circumstances and actions that lead to peace. Everyone loves peace. The question is what kind of confrontation you accept to achieve it.
As was King, and Jesus even. Love, through the will of the people , can conquer all. Confrontation with compassion.
That's because the Palestinians were trying to de-Nazify Jordan.
Give them a break!
Totes justified. Sheesh.
Brotha.. Hamas leader's net worth just crossed 5B 😂
Source?
I don't think anyone can safely say how much money they have. This article explains how they get their money, among other things, from funneling charity funds:
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-cash-to-crypto-global-finance-maze-israels-sights-2023-10-16/
Thanks. That money should be seized and given back to the people. Any future aid should be administered with oversight. It can be done.
Hamas literally exists because Israel and the Palestinian Authority were brokering a 2 state solution, and Hamas is dedicated to the destruction of Israel. As a response to this movement, Hamas seized power in Gaza and canceled elections forever.
When Israel moved to normalize relations with Saudi Arabia, Hamas attacked in October to try to change public opinion of Saudis against Israel.
You've got your blame precisely backwards.
That's easy... if Israel cannot exist without acting like a white supremacist settler-colonialist state, then Israel should cease to exist. No different than Apertheid-era South Africa.
That answers your question, white supremacism apologist.
These people are fucking morons. This is unbelievable. WTF. They're the kind of idiot who's supporting bin Laden right now.
Serious answer? It’s never going to get any better until one side or the other decides to de-escalate, and that’s never going to get any easier. The long history of provocations back and forth will never unwind. Israel, being the one in the position of power, also has a greater responsibility to back off of violence. It’s either that, or continue down the path it is on to ethnic cleansing and genocide. It is on track to be one of history’s darkest ironies that the grandchildren of the people who vowed “never again” will be the people responsible for “again.”
Yeah, that’s a hard, bitter pill to swallow, when one’s instinct is for vengeance. But it’s the truth. Another hard truth is that the humans on the other side are humans. Turning the other cheek for once would utterly shock the entire world, and gain Israel immense support and good will, including from large portions of Palestine.
Is it realistic? No, it’ll never happen. But repeating the cycle of violence hasn’t ever worked, so that’s what they should do.
Turning the other cheek means what exactly in this context?
Not smash into Gaza with a wrecking-ball military response, massacring civilians. Reach out to the Palestinian Authority and moderates in Gaza to deal with the Hamas attack as a law enforcement matter. Negotiate for the release of hostages. Ask for support in this approach from the Arab nations with which it had normalized relations; continue the in-progress normalization of relations with several other nations.
No, the Palestinian Authority is the governing body of the West Bank. It was kicked out of Gaza in 2007 after a conflict between the Islamic Hamas organization, and the secular Fatah party. It would certainly have motive to form an alliance to try to help, in order to re-establish its control of Gaza, and a large portion of the Gazan population would welcome it.
The "right of return" by people forced off of their ancestral land which is now within the borders of the State of Israel has been one of the major sticking points in the conflict, with Israel steadfastly refusing it. If it is not willing to let refugees return to their homes in its own country, then how is it fair to ask other countries to accept large numbers of refugees? There are other forms of help besides accepting refugees.