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Israeli airstrikes kill 80 in Palestinian refugee camp
(www.theguardian.com)
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Israel makes it harder every day to say "well both sides are doing bad things". And the both sides argument was already feeling pretty lacking to begin with
Ya all I'm seeing is Hamas did a bad thing over a month ago and now Israel does a bad thing every fucking day with no end in sight.
Don’t forget, they did that bad thing in response to decades of bad being done to them. Just this year before the attack, more than 1 Palestinian per day was killed by Israel.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/surveillance-footage-shows-hamas-bringing-hostages-into-shifa-hospital-on-oct-7/
IDF also has footage of their captured soldier going in alive. Her murdered body was found dumped near the hospital. Hamas brought her to civilian infrastructure, then murdered her, and claimed she was killed in an air strike. Kinda driving the point home that maybe “Israel killed X amount in an air strike” should be taken with a fistful of salt.
I fully expect bombing a refugee camp to have high numbers in casualties. Don't need to trust Hamas to understand that is inevitable.
It’s a refugee camp in the loosest sense of the word. It’s 80 years old, has permanent structures and is more like a crowded city than something like the Syrian refugee camps.
To drive home the concept that maybe, just maybe, we should wait until we have verification, this is the camp that Gaza’s Interior Minister (Hamas) claimed was “completely destroyed” about 3 weeks ago:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/31/israel-hamas-war-live-israeli-air-attacks-continue-across-gaza?update=2451841
You're right of course, but I don't see how that makes any of this better. If anything, it seems you're saying we should expect the casualties to be even higher because a city is being bombed.
We should. It has been higher in the taking of every city in the middle east in the last 20 years that wasn't a NATO country.
Those qualifiers got me 🤣
NATO is not much better per day of conflict, they are simply quicker and intelligence better. Make no mistake, they would do the same.
Yes we should. It's a testament to who evacuated the place is that the casualty rates are only this bad.
Had there not been a mass evacuation, the numbers would likely be an order of magnitude higher, at least. The Gaza strip is one of the most densely-populated places on earth
True and here's hoping Biden is right to think the indiscriminate bombing has at least subsided: https://youtu.be/ECtBwO9hlTI?si=3QnNV2sopzF-lpbe
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