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Please, not again.
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I’m wracking my brain and heart trying to see what kind of work will manifest this “not again.” Voting blue seems very amiss.
Dude. I hate emojis here, but all I can say is
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E: no, there’s more I can say. Start with these lists:
What Biden Has Done – Year One
What Biden Has Done – Year Two
What Biden Has Done – Year Three
And then get back to us about how voting blue doesn’t help. Christ.
It's too bad that not giving weapons to a genocidal government is not on one of those lists.
I will never vote for anyone not currently involved in calling for a cease fire ever again.
Not that it matters though, support for Biden has fallen to single digits among Muslims in the swing States, whose numbers are required to win those swing States.
If stopping Trump was so important, why did Biden through it all away to support a genocide?
How old are you?
There’s literally never been a good position on the fucking decades long Israel conflict that will please people. Most people smart and/or old enough know to stay the fuck out of it. It’s a meme, for fuck’s sake. There was a Rick and Morty episode about it several years ago, that’s how much of a meme it is now.
If you’re judging Biden by that, you’re obviously too young to remember the last time this volcano of shit erupted. Maybe look at other issues that impact American’s lives that don’t have to do with inane fantasies about Armageddon.
I'm old enough to remember when democrats pointed out how horrible george w bush was while he was president (and rightfully so), but have only sucked his dick since then. Sorry, I don't trust democrats to save a goddamn thing. Your padded and fluffed up lists don't change that. I'll continue voting for democrats down the entire ballot every single election, but I'm not stupid enough to think it will change anything.
Wait, are you saying democrats have sucked Bush’s dick? I must be misunderstanding what you’re saying, because that’s ludicrous.
I haven’t padded or fluffed anything. I’m very critical of all politicians, but I’m also realistic in what can be accomplished within the system we have. I don’t love democrats, and in my ideal world we’d have a better system.
But I will not allow fascism to grow in the bed of misguided discontent, which is literally what you’re doing.
https://newrepublic.com/article/157607/democrats-keep-embracing-george-w-bush
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dojOO3VZ4Jc
As for your lists, all it takes is a glance to immediately see the padding and fluff. For example, there are multiple lines dedicated to student loan forgiveness which is hilarious, seeing as Biden was a key figure in creating the student loan crisis in the first place:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/02/joe-biden-student-loan-debt-2005-act-2020
https://theintercept.com/2020/01/07/joe-biden-student-loans/
So while he can brag about a few billions here and there freed up by enforcing rules that already existed, the student loan problem is now around $1.7 trillion and none of his policies address the loans that are currently being taken nor the loans being taken out in the future. In other words, he's not solving the problem, not even ones he helped create himself. That's really democrats in a nutshell: play along with republicans to create problems and then present themselves as "the thin blue line" that protects us by providing minor relief. One step forward and five steps back means you're still going backward.
That first link is ridiculous, because it’s not about democrats liking Bush, but about democrats pining for a sane candidate again as opposed to trump. I said the same things back then. I hate Bush, but at least he was sane. Your article isn’t about democrats liking Bush, but about them hating trump so very much, even the notorious Bush seemed decent by comparison, and that’s saying something.
How did we move from the 2A to you niggling over the student loan issue, which is most of your links? Do you even care about the student loan issue? I’ll bet you don’t, and it’s such a small part of what Biden has done, I can’t help but think you’re being disingenuous in bringing it up.
Come on, be real with me. What’s your real issue here?
A sane candidate like Bush, you know, the one who lied to get us into two wars. The guy who pushed for a border fence. The guy at the helm when the great recession hit. The guy who did nothing in the face of hurricane katrina. Yeah, very sane. If you paid attention to policy, you'd notice that Trump's policies are merely a continuation of Bush's.
I talked about the student loan issue because you asked how your lists were padded and fluffed up. You claim they're such a small part of what Biden has done, yet this one issue has taken up at least five different lines of one of your little lists and I noticed this right away from a simple glance. The only one being disingenuous is you, who clearly has some agenda when you've made a community just to hold your padded lists. Would you like me to continue picking apart your lists?
My real issue is how you're trying to present Biden and the democrats in general as saviors when really they're part of the problem. People are still miserable and out-of-touch democrats claiming "no, no, everything is great now because the president is a blue guy" are not helping. How about we get some real solutions?
Did you miss the part where I said I hated Bush? Why are you so angry about that? Why are you so angry at me?
We probably want the same things. I’m just not angry about it at people I haven’t met, like you. I’m not afraid of people because people I also haven’t met are telling me to be.
You sound like a smart person. Stop arguing with someone you don’t know on the internet and start thinking about why you’re being manipulated to be angry at people like me. I’m not trying to take anything from you, I promise.
e: feel free to reply in a day or so after you’ve got a reply distilled from whatever group you might copy/paste my comment to. I’ll be here.
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I'm forty fucking five. I want us to stay out of it. It's our tax dollars that are paying for the weapons being used. This conflict exists BECAUSE we don't stay out of it. If we did, Israel would have had to actually negotiate in good faith decades ago. You are directly paying to enact a genocide, because our current president is unwilling to tell Israel to knock it the fuck off.
Reagan stopped Israel bombing in twenty minutes with a single phone call. (Not that Reagan is a good person, just that the capability exists for Biden, he just chooses not to use it.)
I do remember Operation Cast Lead. I'm willing to bet that you didn't even know the name of the last time it erupted. You're so ignorant that you view actual knowledge and lived experience as ignorance, because you're so ignorant you don't know how ignorant you are.
Finally, this is not inane you fucking moron, you have no knowledge of foreign policy, and this very easily could erupt into a wider regional war that turns into WW3.
P.S. It doesn't matter what I think you fucking blood thirsty child murder justifying fuck, What matters is that a large enough percentage of voters in the mid-west swing states to be required for a Democratic win are Muslim. They correctly see Biden's actions as enabling a genocide against a people they identify with. As a result, their support has dropped down to single digit support.
Every other normally Democratic voter that wasn't Muslim could choose to vote for Biden, and he would still lose due to actions that would have been possible for someone as idiotic as yourself to predict. The Biden administration has done it to themselves.
Trump would never kill the Jews. Not because he cares about them at all (in fact, if it were profitable for him, he absolutely would), but his biggest supporters are evangelicals who need the Jews to be in control of the region in order to bring on their Armageddon.
I am not kidding:
Prophetic Anticipation Builds: Unblemished Red Heifers for Temple Ceremony Soon Come of Age
There are tons of articles like that from evangelical groups. They legitimately think this is the end times, and they’re happy to see all of us burn for it. They publicly say climate change isn’t real, but privately they say it’s ordained and a sign of the apocalypse. They’re against people doing anything about it, and there are Dominionists in Congress and the Supreme Court. They’re going to kill us all if they can.
You literally didn't read a goddamn thing I said.
It doesn't matter who I vote for.
Arab-Americans form a large population in the mid-west swing states. This is a known fact.
They are a requisite component for the coalition that allows the Democratic party to win presidential elections in the mid-west swing states. This is also a known fact.
It requires very little intuition to know that Arab-Americans will react negatively to a person who approves of and enables the genocide of a civilian population group that they identify with.
That is what happened. Support has dropped for Biden among Arab-Americans in the swing states to a single digit.
Every other typically Democratic voting demographic group could vote the same as they normally do, and Biden would lose due to loss of a key member of the swing state coalition.
Biden took that action, knowing it would likely blow up his Arab-American support so that he could give weapons and support to a group that has so far killed at least 5000 children. If you sort them in order of age, it takes six pages to get to a child older than 0. That was what he was willing to destroy his chances of getting re-elected for.
I'm not arguing that anyone should vote, or not vote for Biden. I'm saying that a win is now impossible due to his administrations actions regardless of what I, individually, do. If you want to be angry about Trump becoming a fucking dictator, be mad at the person who made it a certainty so he could help kill 5000 children.
Unfortunately in our current election system, voting for the lesser evil is what we have to do.
Vote with your heart in the primaries, vote strategically in the end. So is the curse of our first past the post voting system.
And do what you can to help get the people who want to do positive change in your local elections into office. The only path to ranked choice voting is getting enough support in the states, there's very little chance we'll get it on the national stage without it becoming a reality on the state level.
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His brain. He is wracking it.
When Trump was president we couldn't leave our houses because of COVID. We had riots in some cities. He was separating children from their parents at the border.
For me specifically things were going so bad at my company that we had daily meetings just to talk about how shitty things were in the world. They told us to do as much work as we could but it's understandable if you can't concentrate.i have never experienced that before In my life. That's what I don't want ever again.
Maybe things were fine for you but that shit sucked for me.
I'll be honest, unless you were in a special circumstance, that sounds like a you problem not a Trump problem. I didn't and wouldn't vote for him, but for most people he did not affect their day to day that much. 2020 was the peak of actual influence on daily life, but I don't think that had as much to do with Trump as people imply, either. The whole world got Covid. The US had a bit more deaths per capita than the rest of the developed world (less than UK) but it also has a less healthy population in general.
I think we all sort of trained each other to fixate on the president and be anxious if they're not on our team.