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[-] lauha@lemmy.one 83 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This is incorrect. In most Christian churches, Jesus is specifically not a demigod or a separate lesser entity from God. Jesus is God.

Holy trinity is literally one of the most central doctrines of Christianity.

Uneducated pagan mad this meme.

[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago

But if it's a Trinity, why are they listed separately if they're not separate? Why make the distinction if they're one and the same?

Who did God send down to die for our sins? Why does Jesus have a name if he just is god? Why not call him God?

If he is god, why is the resurrection so special? Wouldn't you expect God to be deathless anyway?

I'm half being difficult, half wondering what the real answers are.

[-] jozep@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This is what I understood from the teachings of the Catholic Church:

There are sacred mysteries which are not explainable by rational or scientific reasoning and thus believing in these mysteries is the catholic faith.

So the Trinity means God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are separate and the same.

Resurrection is special because God lived as a human, died to cleanse the sins of all humans (dying is a punishment for the sins) and his resurrection means he is really God, he cannot die and doing so he defeated death itself. Which means all humans believing in God will be able to cheat death and live eternally in paradise.

God died for our sins because he loves humans and wants them to be free of sin.

Trying to understand this through reason is not possible. You need faith, this is the whole shtick.

Again this is my understanding, been a long time since I went to catechism.

[-] tastysnacks@programming.dev 10 points 11 months ago

Trying to understand this through reason is not possible. You need faith, this is the whole shtick.

This is why I'm not religious. I believe God would have a more elegant solution.

[-] Duranie@midwest.social 4 points 11 months ago

Growing up attending various Protestant churches, the basics re the Trinity was that God is the Father/Creator of everything, the Holy Spirit is essentially His spiritual form, and Jesus was His earthly human form. YMMV by denomination.

[-] overzeetop@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

So…you’re saying it’s ineffable?

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 11 months ago

catechism

Wasn't that a World of Warcraft expansion?

[-] jozep@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

My mistake its catechesis not catechism. English is not my first language.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 11 months ago

No, you had the right word.

I was just making a joke because it sounds like "Cataclysm".

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