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Packing boxes is not skilled labor.
There's no such thing as unskilled labor. I guarantee you that dude is better than you are at packing boxes. That's known as "skill"
If you can master it in a week it isn't a skill. You are redefining the word to make it so broad it is useless to make some ideological point. Also given what I see with Amazon boxes I doubt they can in fact pack better than I can.
That would require lasting a week at Amazon. Anyone who does that is indisputably skilled.
Skilled labor is something that you need outside training in order to do.
When someone is an 'unskilled worker,' it means they're only eligible for positions that train them.
I'm not saying you're wrong, just what people intend to mean when they say unskilled labor.
I have a master's degree, but I can honestly say working at Wendy's took just as much skill as what I do now. "People" who use terms like "unskilled labor" are part of the problem. There's no such thing as "unskilled labor." I'm agreeing with you.
I only have a bachelor's degree and can honestly say that there is no way I can do my job without it.
It is not about compensation. If the work is unskilled it is unskilled. How much it should be paid is a different discussion.
Well, theory of mind is a skill.
Fine. Maybe an analogy will help. If you say X = 2 and I say that it does not, does that mean I am saying it is equal to 3? You made an assertion, I reject your assertion, that doesn't mean anything else. A does not imply B in this case.
Unskilled labor does not mean it should be done for free. No one is saying that, except you. Because that strawman is able to defeat.
My dude, are you seriously in here arguing that unskilled labor doesn't deserve pay? Wow, how vile. Good troll.
They actually have something of a point here. They're essentially arguing unskilled work doesn't exist. They're saying all work is skilled work. They're saying the very notion of unskilled is a fantasy used to excuse not paying for certain work. They even implied the opposite of what you claimed, by insulting people who use the term unskilled to justify unpaid work...
And before you say it, I'm also aware that the point is going to fly over his head. I just enjoy messing with trolls.
I also generally agree with this treatment of trolls.But I also think defending workers from insult is important.
Oh not going to defend your old argument anymore? This is the skill of deflection.
This guy's account is 8 hours old with 100+ comments, and every single one that's addressing a reply to something he said is a deflection.
He's a troll teaching a masterclass on deflection.
Nevertheless, a worker who has been trained is a worker who has become skilled.
A worker who has been trained on a job site is worker who has become skilled in work at the job site.
There is definitely such a thing as jobs that take lots of book learning and tests to get, and jobs anyone can get by applying for them. This semantic fight of "No such thing as unskilled labor" is just going to make people call it something new and politically correct, but it won't change reality.
It's not semantics, it's just refusing to use an inaccurate name. Just because anyone can get a job doesn't mean anyone can excel at it. Why are you suggesting we should all consent to the lie that unskilled labor exists?
Which are the people who are dominating culture and language, who carry the power to fulfill your prediction?
How do such distinctions and constructs originally emerge, and why do they remain entrenched?
Goalpost moving. You can't defend the redefining of the word so you attack the people who did define it.
Straw man attack.
Ad-hominem appeal to motive.
I have not advocated for a definition being imposed.
I have encouraged critical inquiry over the emergence and entrenchment of terms and constructs.
You don't know what those terms mean.
Go encourage the next person who makes the mistake of being polite to you.
You have not been in fact particularly kind or charitable.
Nevertheless, please advise me over which terms I misused.
I will accept any correction that can be validated.
Which is why everyone is an engineer these days. Guy with a mop? Sanitation engineer. Guy who sells stuff all day? Sales engineer. Help desk? No, systems engineer.
Title inflation isnt a big deal but it is silly.
This commenter's never had top score on Tetris
The only, truly, skilled labor.
Have you ever received an Amazon package? They are not masters of Tetris