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Reality check. 9 times out of ten, you're way better off just being a good little citizen and co-operating. Cops are people, and you get better results by playing nice.
If you get stopped randomly by a cop, just show your ID and tell him where you're going. They can arrest and hold you if they want, and the chances of you suing are pretty low. They have the power, and you don't. The place to assert your rights is in the courtroom, not when you can be arrested and or beaten for acting proud.
Don't be these guys
https://youtu.be/hz28DDlnKn0
Reality check? Wow. You don’t know what the fuck you are going on about. Because your experiences have been 9 out of 10 positive you think others need a reality check? I spent two weeks in fucking jail for SHIITAKE MUSHROOMS.
So call a lawyer and get some reparations
Which proves my point. The cops can arrest you for ANYTHING.
The outliers don't make the rule.
On the subject of outliers, are we supposed to assume that a user named MycoBro (a user who references smoking marijuana and having a particular interest in identifying Psilocybin cubensis) is actually academically interested in fungi, and not one of the vastly more common abusers of poisonous mushrooms?
That’s absolutely right. My interest in mushrooms led me to read a book about shiitakes(the mushroom at the end of the world). In my excitement I ordered some to make with my ramen at lunch(in a carpenter I have a medical card for weed. How the fuck does that make me a criminal? Wanna talk about mushrooms, man? Because I have a hell of a lot more to say than “they get you high”. Me and all my grand kids hunt for them all year long as they are learning what they are called, which ones are useful, and which aren’t. Your just as wrong and arrogant as you could possibly be. Edit: do I look like a drug user? You know exactly what I look like probably. Picture that but keep me kind of handsome. Is that different than a pig fucking with a black dude because he’s black? I’d bet you would hate that.
You're right, I would be very unhappy if a pig sexually assaulted a black man, even if it was it's fetish.
I believe sexual relations should be consensual and between humans, I'm very conservative in that way.
I wonder if there is a word or phrase for when someone lost an argument but still wants the last word so they bring up a grammatical error or act like they don't understand common nomenclature and take every word in the most literal sense in an attempt to feel superior. Can any English teachers out here help?
"Grasping at straws" doesn't completely encompass this but it's the closest thing I can think of
How did I lose the argument? I claimed that the user is probably a drug addict, they denied it. There is really no proving or disproving either claim.
The actual argument I made, that MycoBro's personal experience has little relevance, was completely unaddressed. Literally read any of his response, all of it was about consuming mushrooms, absolutely nothing to do with the reliability of anecdotal experience.
I merely made my last response because I found the clearly vitriolic analogy to be humourous, and the rest of the comment had nothing of substance.
Dude. You are so full of shit. You sound like a real self righteous piece of shit. There is one fucking mention of Psilocybe cubensis and it’s in a comment about Pleurotus ostreatus. And what the fuck do you want? Am I supposed to use a bunch of mycology words? Arbusculsar? Mychorrhizal? Do I have to go on about the proper names for the morphological features? It’s not a stem. It’s a stipe. My favorite mushroom is the chanterelle because I find it beyond fascinating that they repel pest with an unknown mechanism (you will only ever find a slug on one. Now bugs. So delicious). Your a prick
Are you trying to say his position is invalid because he might enjoy recreational drugs?
No, I'm saying two things.
These are two separate things, his anecdote probably being a lie makes his argument look worse but it is not necessary to show that it is insufficient. It would be an incorrect argument based solely on the first point.
I personally just find it humourous and incredulous that he supposedly spent 2 weeks in jail, because he totally wasn't using Psilocybin mushrooms. You know Shiitakes are huge and pretty hard to confuse with Psilocybin, not to mention the fact that you can test them pretty easily. (They are also in tons of grocery stores, so it's not exactly alien to everyday individuals).
That is much more likely than it sounds. Law enforcement in the United States are fond of a $2 drug test that reacts with practically anything. Allegely, it waa supposed to serve as a field test (with follow-up tests at a lab) but these days is used as probable cause in a baggie.
This test has been known to land gazed donut enjoyers in jail as well as someone transporting the cremated remains of a recently deceased loved one. It would not surprise me if a (willfully) ignorant police officer eager to ruin someone's day woud use such a test on produce mushrooms to assert cause to arrest.
While I cannot say that is what happened here, I can say it's not merely plausible in the States, but expected, especially if someone shows signs they don't have a family lawyer.
You seem eager to give law enforcement the benefit of the doubt, which I assure you in the US, at from the precinct level though municipal department, county sheriff, state department and federal level they do not deserve.
Yeah, no. Glad that it's worked out for you (so far), but it doesn't always work out for everyone. I agree that you shouldn't be aggressive and standoffish, but you sure as fuck should not trust the cops. All they've shown is that they are a gang that believe they're above the law. They're out to protect and serve each other — not us.
Where did I say 'trust'? I will repeat my basic message. Assert your rights in the courtroom and not the street. I know of plenty of instances of cops killing civilians and not spending a minute in court, let alone jail.
I agree handing over your ID is probably good, even in a state where it isn't required. That is unless you're doing something obviously illegal and they don't know yet and you think you can hide your identity somehow, but I doubt it.
However, the right to remain silent and to an attorney are important. The location you're coming from or going to can be used as bullshit reasons to arrest you even if it's not bad. The way you speak can be used to arrest you. The smell of your breath can be used to arrest you.
Basically, hand over your I'd through a crack in the window. Keep your hands on the steering wheel in plain sight. If they ask questions, tell them you won't be answering questions and invoke your right to remain silent, then STFU. You won't win their game. Cooperate with the basic requirements, but don't give them more than the basic information. It's their job to figure out what you were doing and if it was illegal. Don't help them do their job.
In 2015 officer involved homicide averaged four a day, a factor that has only increased in the following years during the rise of Trump-led hate rhetoric. (also not including those covered up by precinct coroners, which was discovered in studies to be routine)
50% of the victims were neither armed nor resisting.
Thus proving my point. Knowing your cop might be ready to kill, is it really wise to start off by quoting the Constitution?
Tamir Rice didn't have a chance to speak before he was killed. Neither did Breonna Taylor. Fuck off with this bootlicking.
If you read what I actually wrote, I told people not to jump into a confrontation thinking they could overawe the cops with their knowledge of their rights.
But yes, if you feel it's the smart thing to do, shout about police brutality the next time you have a run in. Let me know how it works out for you.
At the point that a law enforcement officer is ready to kill, they're not going to get much intelligible out of me at all, since I would panic myself right into a face full of lead, and joining the disproportionately high statistic of people with mental illness massacred by law enforcement for no good reason.
Asserting my rights would be at the point I find myself detained and they're asking me questions, at which point, I'd hope guns might no longer be involved. But I expect a dark room, hours or even days of detention without food or water might be involved. Black sites and enhanced interrogation might be as well, since it's not easy to extract a confession from an innocent man, but the Reid technique insists they try.
Especially if you are not white or white passing
No.
You should cooperate with what they order you to do, and you should always be friendly, but never let them search your property without a warrant or probable cause, as they could plant evidence. If you get arrested, comply with all actions they tell you to do, but don't say a single fucking word. On the street, try to stay alive, but once arrested, don't waive your 5th amendment rights. Being a good little citizen will doom you in interviews, and it should never be done.
I didn't say let them search your property. I said exactly what you said in the first sentence.
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