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Yahtzee Croshaw: Today, I formally resigned from The Escapist and Gamurs. I don't have the rights to Zero Punctuation, but whatever happens you'll be hearing my voice again soon, in a new place. (twitter.com)
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[-] nyankas@feddit.de 183 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

A screenshot from discord, in which nickjcal24 writes: @everyone since messages pushed it way up. I was fired from The Escapist along with many others today, and in response the entire video team, including Yahtzee, has resigned from The Escapist. Our plan is to go independent, but we will share more plans on that later this week.

It‘s probably important to mention that the entire video team is gone. Some of them were fired, so the rest walked. They‘re planning to go independent soon.

Edit: Their new channel will be SecondWindGroup. They'll do a livestream on November 8th at 11 AM CT, explaining their plans for the future. (Source)

[-] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 67 points 10 months ago

Damn.

Props to everyone who quit in solidarity.

[-] match@pawb.social 33 points 10 months ago

Imagine if Dropout picked them up

[-] ech@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago

I love Dropout, but consolidating everything under one roof is just not a good idea. Not only are they different teams with different sensibilities, but it's an unstable industry and if the company with all the "good" content happened to fail, that'd be a disaster.

[-] tal@lemmy.today 15 points 10 months ago

Is "fired" the right term? Normally someone being "fired" indicates that they are at fault in some way. It's not normal for people to be "fired" in bulk. It sounds more like they were laid off, like the company had to cut costs.

[-] AEsheron@lemmy.world 59 points 10 months ago

Nick was supposedly fired for failing to meet goals, goals he was apparently never informed that he should be targeting.

[-] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 45 points 10 months ago

Sounds like they were manufacturing a reason to fire him, then.

[-] tal@lemmy.today 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah...I'm sort of wondering where the guy works. There are some places where there are significant financial and legal differences for companies doing an at-fault and not-at-fault termination.

I mean, I'm not saying that it's impossible to fire "many" at once for legit reasons, but it'd be unexpected, unless you had a bunch of people collectively engaging in some sort of improper behavior.

And the fact that you apparently had other people resign in response to the people being terminated makes it sounds like there are other people who felt that whatever was going on with the terminations wasn't okay.

[-] RQG@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Ah yes, sounds like a job.

[-] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago

Depending on employment law in his state, that may be actionable.

[-] quindraco@lemm.ee 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Fired and laid off are like buy and purchase - perfect synonyms.

[-] tal@lemmy.today 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

No.

https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/career-development/laid-off-vs-fired

Being "fired" and being "laid off" are both terms that refer to the termination of an individual's employment. A company may lay off an employee when it doesn't have the resources to retain them, while a company may fire an employee who isn't meeting the company's expectations.

[-] taladar@sh.itjust.works 19 points 10 months ago

Layoff is just a euphemism for firing people. It is meant to make the company sound better when they fire larger numbers of employees.

[-] tal@lemmy.today 10 points 10 months ago

https://www.monster.com/career-advice/leaving-a-job/losing-a-job/laid-off-vs-fired

Being laid off means that your position is being eliminated through no fault of your own.

Being fired means that you’ve lost your job either because your performance didn’t measure up to expectations or you did something that went against company policy.

https://www.flexjobs.com/blog/post/laid-off-vs-fired/

Laid Off vs. Fired: There Is a Difference

When you’re laid off from a job, it happens due to circumstances out of your control. Generally, layoffs occur when a company needs to cut costs, though there can be other reasons for cutting staff. The key part of “laid off” is that you lost your job due to the company’s performance, not your individual performance.

However, when you’re fired, it’s usually due to your performance. Maybe you broke a rule (or several rules). Or, you failed to perform your assigned duties even after being coached and given multiple opportunities to improve. Whatever the reason, you lost your job as a direct result of your behavior.

https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/career/being-laid-off-vs-getting-fired/

The key difference between being laid off vs. getting fired is that a layoff is the fault of an employer while a firing occurs because of the employee’s fault. Most workers get laid off because the company is trying to cut costs, reduce the staff, or due to mergers and acquisitions.

For example, let’s say Company A is taken over by new management. If the new owner wants to reorganize the company’s structure, he may resort to laying off workers in order to eliminate redundant tasks.

Getting fired is a little different from being laid off. An employee gets fired because of poor performance, failure to meet the company owner’s expectations, or office theft.

[-] misanthropy@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

Be pedantic if you want, either way the person is unemployed.

[-] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

FWIW you're both right lol.

[-] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"fired" implies "termination with cause". That is, they believe you screwed up and so you were let go without severance, and in a pinch they're willing to go to court on that.

"Laid off" implies they did bulk downsizing and unless the company finds a way to weasel out of it, there's going to be severance and employment insurance payouts and the like.

In the Southern states this is a distinction without a difference because they just shoot you in the face and toss you into the body pit there regardless of the cause of the termination of your employment, but in the rest of the world this distinction is real.

[-] nyankas@feddit.de 15 points 10 months ago

Well, Nick used that term and he‘s probably in a position to know if it‘s the right one.

[-] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 11 points 10 months ago

"To be laid off", or even better "to be let go", are fucking euphemisms for "fired", "kicked out", etc.
That sort of vocabulary is typically used by HR to sound more benevolent, whereas when it's happening to you, you'll use the more aggressive terms.

[-] jayandp@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

According to the guys who left, Management forced unrealistic targets on the Editor in Chief, then used him not meeting those targets as an excuse to fire him. Everybody else quit in response.

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