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submitted 10 months ago by vamp07@lemm.ee to c/news@lemmy.world

It’s like watching a clown show. Maybe he should watch more porn and grow up.

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[-] RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world 187 points 10 months ago

That headline is... incredibly inaccurate. They've pledged to each other to avoid porn, and have software that throws an alarm (visible to each other) if they view it.

"Monitor Each Other's Porn Intake" implies that they are seeking out porn and sharing it with each other, which is not what is happening here.

I think there are plenty of legitimate concerns here, but father and son sharing porn links is not one of them.

Also, I imagine young Mr. Johnson has at least 1 Android tablet or other burner device that is unknown to Dad.

[-] Laticauda@lemmy.ca 92 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I mean when I read "monitoring each other's porn intake" I assumed it meant "monitoring how much porn each other watches". And considering who it was, I assumed that was for the sake of making sure that they didn't watch any porn. I did not at any point think that they were sharing porn links with each other, because that's generally not what monitoring someone's intake means.

[-] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

I assumed it meant they each keep tabs to make sure the other gets just enough porn each day but not too much.

Daaaaaaaaad you've exceeded your porn allowance for the day and it's not even elevensies yet! 😠

[-] QuiteQuickQum@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Now this is the quality sarcasm that has disappeared from Reddit! Stay witty, mon ami!

Edit: this is my high way of saying, "LOL." 🤣

[-] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

I, uh… I made the same assumption, but unfortunately it wasn’t sarcastic. I imagined it being like two bros that have an alcohol problem but don’t “believe” in rehab (whatever that means), so they make a deal to check each other’s recycle bins and call each other out when they’re not keeping it under 3 a day.

[-] bemenaker@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

“It sends a report to your accountability partner.

Depends on what is in that report. If it shows visited links. That would also make it pandering to a minor.

[-] kromem@lemmy.world 78 points 10 months ago

Right, because making your son your porn accountability buddy is an extremely normal and healthy thing to do.

How dare this article make it sound like such a healthy and normal thing is somehow extremely weird and creepy!?!

It's not like he had his wife holding him accountable for not looking at naked bodies online. That would be disgusting. No, like any upstanding citizen he wisely decided that he'd have it alert his son if temptation ever became too much and he looked at porn.

If only he had a parenting guide so that we could all learn to run a household in ways that will definitely not result in all the kids needing therapy down the road.

[-] RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Right, because making your son your porn accountability buddy is an extremely normal and healthy thing to do.

It absolutely is NOT, and that was one of the several problematic aspects of this that is not resolved by addressing the confusing language.

[-] kzhe@lemm.ee 13 points 10 months ago

Pretty sure the above post is sarcasm?

[-] kromem@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

No, I think it's completely and undoubtedly serious.

[-] Clam_Cathedral@lemmy.ml 54 points 10 months ago

No, what monitoring in this context means is to be made aware of each other's porn INTAKE, or how much is being consumed and when, which the software is said to do. Nothing is suggesting they seek porn out to share content with each other, just that they are alerted when the other accesses porn.

I'd bet youre right about the alternative devices though.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

I wouldn't be shocked to find there's something to the jokes.

Sexually repressed conservatives usually have freaking weird kinks.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Yeah seriously just be into pain like the rest of us

[-] RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

In any other context, "monitoring intake" implies that the monitored party is consuming a quantity of the thing under discussion, and that the monitoring party is getting a report on what, when, and how much.

You wouldn't say "monitoring food intake" about someone abstaining from food, or "monitoring alcohol intake" about someone maintaining sobriety. You'd probably say "fasting" or "avoiding alcohol", or similar language. Such language should have been used here for clarity, IMO.

People on the thread are responding like they are reviewing each other's porn, because the language encourages that misinterpretation.

[-] JungleJim@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago

I would say "monitoring food intake" means "making sure there isn't too much". One can infer through context that "too much" porn to conservative Christians would be "any" porn. Given the context of who the article is discussing, I did not assume they were sharing porn with each other. I have not seen any comments where this was assumed, as well.

[-] RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

making sure there isn’t too much

which implies that some amount is expected, that's my only point.

[-] JungleJim@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

Really seems like a good faith effort you're making there, taking just the part in quotes and making like it was my whole argument.

[-] RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I'm not sure why the quote is getting you bent out of shape. "monitoring X intake" implies that someone is taking in X ("intake", definition 2 in Merriam Webster ), and it's being measured & reported ("monitoring"). It doesn't matter whether X is food or water or Youtube videos or porn.

It's just the wrong word here. I'm not saying it's history's greatest crime, just a bad editorial decision that leads to confusion.

[-] JungleJim@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

You're the only one confused my dude

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I want to be this high

[-] whofearsthenight@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

"son, i'm going to be fasting from my big tiddy goth gf porn, care to help me out?"

Nope, still sounds fuckin weird my g

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Yeah, I don’t really care if it’s none. “Hey son, I know we’re both going to be tempted to look at porn on the internet so I’m buying us an application that sends random screenshots from our computers to each other to ensure we don’t consume any. Please hold me accountable if you see any porn on there.”

Like no, that’s the most charitable and honest version I can think of and it’s still not something you should ask your kid to do. Even if the kid was 40, it’d still be fucking weird. Like you have a wife. Or presumably a church where they’d probably gladly help you with this.

But also why do you need this at all? The whole covenant eyes thing just as a concept concerns me. It’s like if teetotalers had random breathalyzers despite never having drank. AA isn’t that invasive and they’re already addicted. They’re acting not only like porn is the most addictive thing in the world, but like you’re inherently addicted to it for existing.

[-] Clam_Cathedral@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

I just looked into the app being used here, called "covenant eyes" and it seems your interpretation of the phrase is actually more correct, unfortunately that makes the headline even less misleading. You are indeed able to see and review exactly what content was accessed that set off the alert.

If you watch the "How it works" intro video on their site it seems they are literally monitoring and reviewing each other's porn intake.

Nah, I didn't read the headline thinking that they were sharing links with each other. It read to me like he and his son are holding each other accountable for how often they pleasure themselves with porn, and that's incredibly fucking weird and inappropriate. While I think it's generally a positive thing to be open and honest with your children, there is definitely a line. And this totally crosses that.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Yeah I was lucky enough to be raised by a sex positive mom. As a young child I called body parts by their names because they’re just body parts. Any questions I asked my mom got a truthful answer to the best of her knowledge and as appropriate as possible to my age. There was an understanding that if I was old enough to ask I was old enough to know. That was incredible for me. I have a healthy sex life in part because of this. I also don’t know anything about my mom’s sex life except for the time I found her copy of 50 shades, and the fact that my parents couldn’t stand each other for over a decade.

This is so much weirder and honestly depending on the son’s age it sounds like it could be adultification. A child shouldn’t be responsible for holding a parent accountable in general, but for this it’s just yikes

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

Maybe you can explain how the headline isn't 100000000% accurate instead of confirming it's completely accurate

[-] drphungky@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Also, everyone is reading this as some kind of creepy weird sharing kinks thing. Guaranteed this is just overbearing parenting 101. Anyone raised in or around extreme Christian groups reads this for what it is: child monitoring software and forcing your values on your kid.

I am sure your 17 year old signed up, wholly voluntarily, to not look at porn. I'm sure this wasn't pitched as, "I'll even do it too, and set it up so you get alerts for me!" Right as they took away a near adult's ability to explore his sexuality.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Sounds like a security issue now that he’s speaker

[-] vamp07@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

I did not interpret the headline that way.

[-] ElBarto@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago

I'd put money down that the kid set it up and has certain sites unlisted.

[-] Yerbouti@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

Pretty sure they BOTH have a burning devices.

[-] Nougat@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

You could have just said "Mr. Johnson," and "the other."

[-] RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Mr. Johnson and Little Johnson?

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