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A total of 31 Democrats joined 182 Republicans in voting to keep Rep. George Santos (R-N.Y.) in Congress, killing a Republican-led effort to oust the embattled lawmaker.

The lower chamber on Wednesday voted 179-213-19 on a resolution to expel Santos, marking the second unsuccessful attempt this year to eject the first-term lawmaker from the House. A two-thirds threshold is needed to expel a member of Congress.

A total of 31 Democrats and 182 Republicans voted against the resolution, while 24 Republicans and 155 Democrats voted to expel Santos.

The effort to oust Santos was spearheaded by a group of freshman New York Republicans — led by Rep. Anthony D’Esposito — who moved last week to force a vote to expel Santos in the wake of his mounting legal battles. D’Esposito called the legislation to the floor as a privileged resolution, a procedural gambit that forces leadership to set a vote within two legislative days.

Santos faces a total of 23 federal charges ahead of his trial, slated to begin in September 2024.

He pled not guilty last week to a set of 10 new criminal charges in a superseding indictment alleging he inflated his campaign finance reports and charged his donors’ credit cards without authorization.

In May, he was charged on 13 counts of misleading donors, fraudulently receiving unemployment benefits and lying on House financial disclosures.

Santos admitted earlier this year to embellishing parts of his background while campaigning, but he has reiterated he will not resign despite his legal troubles.

Here are the 31 Democratic House members who voted to keep Santos in Congress:

Rep. Collin Allred (Texas)

Rep. Jake Auchincloss (Mass.)

Rep. Ed Case (Hawaii)

Rep. Emmanuel Cleaver (Mo.)

Rep. Henry Cuellar (Texas)

Rep. Sharice Davids (Kan.)

Rep. Chris Deluzio (Penn.)

Rep. Lizzie Fletcher (Texas)

Rep. Jared Golden (Maine)

Rep. Jim Himes (Conn.)

Rep. Steven Horsford (Nev.)

Rep. Jeff Jackson (N.C.)

Rep. Hank Johnson (Ga.)

Rep. Rick Larsen (Wash.)

Rep. Susie Lee (Nev.)

Rep. Zoe Lofgren (Calif.)

Rep. Seth Magaziner (R.I.)

Rep. Morgan McGarvey (Ky.)

Rep. Rob Menendez (N.J.)

Rep. Gwen Moore (Wis.)

Rep. Marie Perez (Wash.)

Rep. Katie Porter (Calif.)

Rep. Jamie Raskin (Md.)

Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger (Md.)

Rep. Brad Schneider (Ill.)

Rep. Kim Schrier (Wash.)

Rep. Bobby Scott (Va.)

Rep. Elissa Slotkin (Mich.)

Rep. Mark Takano (Calif.)

Rep. Rashida Tlaib (Mich.)

Rep. Nikema Williams (Ga.)

Mychael Schnell contributed.

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[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago
  1. We have never expelled a congress person without a conviction. Doing so creates a dangerous precedent where anyone can be expelled at any time.

  2. The dude is a millstone around the neck of Republicans in New York that can be used to win seats there and also nationwide.

[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

I understand the electioneering argument, but anyone who would deliberately leave a terrible person in the government to win an election really isn't putting America first. To say, "we're going to leave things a bit fucked right now so we have a better chance of unfucking it later"? There's no guarantee he'll be defeated in 24 which means things could be fucked for much longer, and there's no guarantee they'd struggle to defeat his replacement. I take think this is bad logic.

As for your first point, bad precedent is certainly a thing. But not everything is a crime. I'd vote to expel him just for lying about every damn thing that got him elected, even though lying is generally protected speech. So to continue a tradition of requiring a conviction to expel someone when the reason to expel them isn't a crime seems to rather miss the point.

That all being said, no one seems to give a fuck about lying any more except performatively when it's useful rhetoric, so maybe the real answer is it just doesn't matter if he's kicked out.

[-] xhieron@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

No one on that side of the aisle is deliberately leaving the prick in Congress. It wasn't going to pass due to Republican obstruction, even if the entire Democratic conference had voted for it (and the Democrats previously initiated a measure earlier this year). The question wasn't "Do you want this asshole out of Congress?" It was "The asshole stays. Do you want your opponent next year to get to campaign on you voting to oust him prior to a conviction, and do you want to be on record for being in favor of ousting Congress members without a conviction if the GOP takes the chamber and decides to weaponize the practice in '25?"

Conviction is the rubric because it's a bright line with a high bar. Bad public opinion and lying on the campaign trail is just politics. This year's egregious exception is next year's status quo. Notice how everything is an "insurrection" for the fascists now? Same deal.

Electioneering isn't just an argument. It's the only rational argument.

[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

Good points. Fair enough.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, we have.

And Santos has already pleaded guilty on fraud conspiracy.

https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/three-charts-show-rare-congressional-expulsions-are-rcna123251

Myers wasn't convicted, they just had evidence so strong it was a forgone conclusion.

You know, exactly like with Santos.

Expulsion is rare not because it is unthinkable, but because most Congress critters resign first.

[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

He has NOT pled guilty for anything.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just his, you know, campaign treasurer.

Who named him as co-conspirator.

Because the money went directly, indisputably, into his personal accounts, and was used to pay off personal loans among other things.

You concern trolling halfwit.

[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Oooh. Name calling. That will win people over to your side for sure! Have a great day.

"My side"

The side of at least attempting to have standards, you contemptible moron.

[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Lmao. You ok, homes?

Wait.

You think I'm defending him?

#LMAO!

Go back to bed and reset your day. Your reading comprehension is way off.

I understand your pathetic, bad optics, dirty politics, corruption enabling stance just fine you spineless sycophant.

[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I know you are, but what am I?

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

It's a 2/3rds threshold. There's no slippery slope where this gets used for partisan purposes and the "norms" never end up being a defense against partisan fuckery anyway. This is a political tool, with political limitations, and people should absolutely be kicked out of congress for non-criminal acts.

Democrats breaking away here makes headlines like this that sidestep the Republican party showing up en masse to protect their fraud. They could have had a headline of "only 24 Republicans vote to expel George Santos", but instead we get a muddled mess where clickbaity outlets highlight the bigger surprise of Democrats supporting Santos rather than the ethical wasteland of the Republicans.

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