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[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's lower in every other G7 country.

2.4 might not sound like much, but then consider all the single people living alone. We could live in bigger groups like they do in the third world, but that's going to be unpopular with a lot of people.

The “shortage” is people wanting it a) at a lower price and b) wanting larger housing than they currently have. c) wanting it in specific places that are highly desirable (specific cities)

Yes, yes it is. But again that's do to low supply shifting equilibrium prices higher.

[-] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

"lower in every other G7 country" Sure it's technically lower, but I'd say that we're pretty fucking close to our comparable countries by lifestyle. We're 99.3% of the unit rate of the US, and 98% of the rate of the UK. We'd only need to build one more year of new units at the 2022 rate to match the UK rate.

You're missing the point though. What we WANT and what we NEED are not the same thing.

Is there there a shortage of Mansions in West Point Grey because I'd love to live there but can't afford it? No.

Pricing is the mechanism by which we balance WANT and NEED. If you want your own place, you can pay for it. It's not like someone who has money can't find a unit.

There is an underlying problem in the pricing, but it has very little to do with a shortage of houses. It has to do with wages and land value extraction.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

We’d only need to build one more year of new units at the 2022 rate to match the UK rate.

That's still a lot extra if you want to catch up in, say, a decade, but I digress.

I don't think this is the first time I've encountered you pushing for the most technical sense of "shortage", but I still don't get why that's the hill you want to die on. We all agree there's an issue, whatever we call it.

There is an underlying problem in the pricing, but it has very little to do with a shortage of houses. It has to do with wages and land value extraction.

Explain, if you would. It sounds like you have your own idea about why housing prices are higher than we will culturally tolerate.

[-] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

I'll jump in and offer my (uninformed) opinion. It seems that housing is seen as more of an investment. Developers build higher end houses rather than lower income housing because the profit margins are higher. In this context, reducing the value of housing as an investment by making it harder for owning multiple properties while making it easier for people to own one house could go a long ways to settling out the cost of housing in the mid to long term simply by changing the incentives on what to build.

Short term, just getting some housing supply out of short term rentals and absentee investors hands could put some more housing on the market now.

Is it enough? I doubt it, but we can do more than one thing.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh, okay, so the "empty houses in Vancouver" idea. Now, I'm also uninformed about the ins and outs of landlording, but it sounds like you make a decent amount being a slumlord with maximally many tenants, too.

I can, at least, attest that investments usually have their own economic logic, and there's no free lunch there either. If you want to make a lot of money from an investment, you either come in with a big sum of money to start with, or you need to get lottery-winner lucky. That's why I was a bit skeptical about that explanation from the start, and why the physical lack of supply explanation seems like the simplest one now.

[-] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

I think the "empty houses" isn't all or nothing. A house used for an AirBNB results in empty hotel rooms, and is "less full" than a rental that is rented for the whole month. Likewise a large house, with a single occupant is less full than an apartment building on the same land with even a 50% occupancy rate. This is the whole "missing middle density" comes in.

My impression is that developers would rather buy a bunch of land, throw up some upper scale housing, sell it, and move on. You are right that building an apartment building and renting it out is also a viable investment strategy, but it just seems that there are more developers selling houses than landlords building apartment buildings. Granted landlords kind of suck to, so condo's would be better I would think, but what do I know?

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