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Remember, the social Democrats sided with the Nazis over the socialists. They’ve done it every time they’ve been given the opportunity, and will continue to do so as many times as people fall for their shtick.

“The master's tools will never dismantle the master's house."
-Audre Lorde

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[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago

If you heavily regulated companies, nationalize every major public service, place an upper cap to overall wealth for any one individual, eliminate inherited wealth and redirect all available resources to public education, health care, housing and UBI .... then democracy could exist in a capitalist system.

But chances are we'll more likely start WWIII with nuclear weapons than do any of that.

[-] thepaperpilot@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you picture the political compass, where the y axis is how how democratic the society is(where the top is tyranny and the bottom is anarchy) and the x axis is how socialized it is (where the left is communism and the right is capitalism), OP claimed that ancap (the bottom right quadrant) doesn't exist, and that those who claim to be ancap tend to be authoritarian right instead. You argued that democracy could exist in a socialist (leftist) society. You are not disagreeing with OP, because what you described is not a capitalist (right leaning) society.

[-] javasux@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

But that's not capitalism, that's market socialism

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

I thought regulated capitalism and market socialism were the same thing

[-] itslilith 4 points 1 year ago

the difference between capitalism and socialism is whether companies are privately or publicly owned, so while it looks similar, it's really not the same. this would be a social democratic society, and therefore not socialist

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

So European brands of socialism aren't socialism in your view?

[-] itslilith 2 points 1 year ago

what do you mean, European brands of socialism?

[-] itslilith 4 points 1 year ago

socialism, by definition, means that "companies" are publicly owned. so while this would be a good start for a socal democratic society, its nowhere near democratic socialism or even communism

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