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The crackup in the House GOP has gotten so bad that some Republicans are now asking Democrats for help in electing a speaker. So far, Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), the current favorite among the right, hasn’t gotten anywhere close to the 217 votes he needs to secure the job.

With Republicans fractured and in need of saving, what should happen is that a few vulnerable members (such as those representing districts Joe Biden won in 2020) join Democrats in supporting Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.), for the position. But that’s unlikely, because any Republicans who dare to do this would see their careers implode.

The next best thing, then, is a deal that both sides can accept. Republicans will have to offer meaningful concessions to Democrats to have any hope of getting their support for a consensus, relatively moderate GOP speaker.

At an absolute minimum, a compromise would tackle the core problem: That a few extreme members can propel the House into total meltdown, rendering it ungovernable. Several high-profile, non-MAGA Republicans, such as Reps. Mike D. Rogers (Ala.) and María Elvira Salazar (Fla.), have publicly called on Democrats to specify what they would need to throw the GOP a lifeline — and Democrats have several ideas in mind.

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[-] Rottcodd@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

But unlike Republicans, Democrats have a vested interest in a functioning government and serving the people.

I don't think that's true.

Exactly like the Republicans, Democrats have a vested interest in just creating enough of an appearance of serving the people to get re-elected, but not so much that it interferes with their actual goal of benefitting themselves and their wealthy cronies and patrons.

Republicans can do that fairly straightforwardly, by spinning lies about "deregulation" and "privatization" and such - by overtly pushing for legislation that will benefit the rich and just dressing it up in a sort of costume.

Democrats have a harder time of it because there's no easy way to make legislation explicitly designed to benefit the oligarchy look like it's designed to benefit the people at large. So Democrats' role is mostly just to provide the illusion of opposition - to stand against Republican proposals but not quite manage to defeat them, and to make proposals of their own but not quite manage to pass them.

And as far as that goes, this is a perfect opportunity for them. They can, and certainly will, just make ineffectual noise and accomplish nothing of substance, then blame the Republicans for the failure to accomplish anything of substance.

[-] spaceghoti@lemmy.one 9 points 1 year ago

I see that enlightened centrism has once again reared its ugly head.

[-] Rottcodd@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

This from someone who self-evidently thinks that labels and stereotypes are fit substitutes for arguments.

Yes - I understand that your blind partisanship requires you to believe that opposition to one party requires absolute, unqualified, uncritical and unthinking obedience to the other, but though it's apparently beyond your own grasp, it is possible to both support a party and criticize it.

In fact, in a healthy representative democracy, that would arguably be the norm - the parties would be shifting to accommodate the criticisms of the people rather than presenting themselves as fait accompli and demanding unthinking loyalty and condemning criticism.

But of course, this is anything but a healthy representative democracy.

And that's not a coincidence.

[-] spaceghoti@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago

You have utterly failed to offer anything substantial to the conversation. but we appreciate your participation nevertheless.

[-] Rottcodd@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

And right on cue, unintentional irony.

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