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[-] grte@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"For something this big, Albertans deserve the benefit of a rational, adult conversation."

And we are going to make one of the central premises of this rational, adult conversation that Alberta is owed over half the CPP's fund.

Please.

Better headline:

"UCP wants to raid CPP to feed more money into O&G."

[-] blindsight@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago

Exactly. The only reason to push separation from the CPP so hard is because they want to meddle in the investment selection process to prop up specific companies in violation of the fiduciary responsibilities of the pension manager and at the cost of Albertans' pension growth and stability.

The only other angle I can think of is separatists deliberately trying to fracture Alberta away from Canada.

[-] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

Not just to prop up O&G company stock prices, but also to further their long-running process of tying absolutely every Albertan's financial well-being to O&G. Right now, if O&G drops, yeah, Albertans will lose jobs and the province's social services go unfunded, but they still have CPP to rely on. With this change, their retirement will also vanish.

The more they go "all in" on O&G, the more every voter in Alberta absolutely NEEDS the O&G industry to remain profitable. Keep that going, and the political party that is most pro-O&G will stay in power perpetually.

[-] m0darn@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

I can imagine Albertans being upset that they make a high percentage of the contributions but get a small portion of the payouts.

[-] blindsight@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

That doesn't make any sense; that's not how it works. Everyone's individual CPP contributions are proportional to their pension. There's no preferential treatment for anybody.

[-] Someone@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

Exactly, I don't know the actual statistics (as the OC didn't provide any) but if they actually are paying in more than they're receiving it means they have a lot more workers than retirees. Sounds like a good deal when factoring in other provincial costs like healthcare for example.

[-] TheGayTramp@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

And they are because Alberta is statistically the youngest province

[-] m0darn@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Oh man, I feel dumb. Yeah I was thinking of ei.

I mean I can still imagine them being upset because they think they make more contributions than they receive in payouts.... (false assumption like I just made).

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