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[-] Razp@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

As is punishing all Russian passport holders for the action of the government. So it's either both EU and Israel are monsters or neither is.

[-] Devi@beehaw.org 24 points 1 year ago

Not being able to spend summer in the Algarve and being brutally murdered is totally the same thing.

[-] Razp@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

"Collective punishment is a war crime". Except for Palestinians and Russians, of course. And anybody we disagree with. Fuck those civilians.

We are hypocrites. We have double standards.

I am just pointing it out.

[-] Devi@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

Collective punishment IS a war crime. Travel is a privelege, not being able to go on holiday to specific places isn't punishment. Do you realise most countries aren't permitted to travel somewhere?

[-] Razp@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

It's not about traveling, and not about Russians at all. I just gave an example. Look,

Ursula von der Leyen was against Russians destroying the energy infrastructure of Ukraine.

The same Ursula supports energy blockade of Gaza by Israel.

It's just pure hypocracy.

In both cases the civilian population suffers the most. In both cases it's a war crime and should be condemned.

[-] Devi@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

You're on about something completely different now.

[-] FrostyTheDoo@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Launching missiles across borders is different than securing your own borders. You can't possibly really be trying to equate the two?

[-] Razp@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

"Collective punishment is a war crime". Except for Palestinians and Russians, of course. And anybody we disagree with. Fuck those civilians.

We are hypocrites. We have double standards.

I am just pointing it out.

[-] FrostyTheDoo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Hmmm let's stay on topic. I didn't say I support collective punishment of Palestine or anyone. I said missiles aren't the same thing as border restrictions, because they clearly aren't. Do you actually disagree?

[-] pascal@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

As a punished Russian living in Lomonosov, let me explain you what has changed for us since this "punishment" started:

Absolutely nothing.

(Oh, yes, Coke bottles are now green, instead of red.)

[-] greenmarty@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

This is not valid in all cases as I know multiple Russians and those living in EU continue to do so with no issue and those living in RU say it doesn't affect them. You can even find interview with random RU citizens in RU and they all say it doesn't affect them or that they want to attack UA BC Nato boarder is too close.

[-] Razp@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

You missed the point :

Russia invades and terrorises the Ukrainian civilians. We punish Russian civilians aka collective punishment.

Hamas invades Israel and terrorises Israeli civilians. Israel punishes Gaza civilians aka collective punishment.

In the first case we are OK. In the second case we scream at Israel (the OP post) "Collective punishment is war crime!!"

We. Are. Hypocrites.

[-] greenmarty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't think I missed the point though.

I'm ststating that Russians don't seem to be directly afected aside from having their favorite EU vacation destinations accessible via France or Turkey instead directly from Moscow. It means that so called collective punishment was either ineffective or so mild, that it had almost no effect on dayly lives of citizens.

You compare this with bombing city, being cut out of water, food, medicine and energy.

If anything, Russians collectively punished Ukrainians by shelling,detroying their energy and tradic infrastructure to make winter as bad as possible for UA.

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