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Israeli here:
Hammasb (not the Palestiniens, Hammas) knew exactly who they murder. There is no excuse to wash their hand.
So then Israel (not it's people, but the military) know exactly who they murder now? So when they now and in the past murder civilians there's also no excuse?
Edit: also, aside from all that. I'm truly sorry this happened to your country and your people. I wish you all peace and an end to the bloodshed.
"It wasn’t a settlement at all."
Your entire country is a settlement.
There are Palestinians that are older than your "state".
Palestine became a state at the same time. there was never a Palestine before that.
Palestine isn't a state. It never became it state. It never has been a state.
lmao that's just as BS as saying that Israel isn't a state
It’s slightly older, it became a British mandate state in 1920.
A British Mandate isn't a state though.
Why not
Because it was still basically part of Britain, not independent. Like Canada wasn't it's own country until 1867 when we were made independent from British control.
A state doesn’t need to be independent. Texas isn’t independent. Chechnya isn’t independent.
We are currently using the word state for it's sovereign meaning given the context of this conversation, not for it's meaning as a part of a country. In the context of this conversation state is equivalent to country.
No we are not. All you said was that they are of the same age. Age of a state has nothing to do whether it is sovereign or not.
Words can have more than one meaning and you are being disingenuous by conflating 'state' as it implies to the U.S. internally and 'state' as in a sovereign entity, which is how it is being used in this discussion.
Yes we are. We are using state as a sovereign territory. That is the context of this conversation. I'm sorry you failed to pick up on that.
Yes it does. Canada is 156 years old, not 400 and something, because we gained independence in 1857, even though we've existed as part of the British empire since the 1600s.
Yeah the area has always been a provincial administrative division but I'm pretty sure the last time there was a sovereign state controlling that general area, it was a Crusader kingdom. Before then, it was Judea before the Roman conquest. Relying on historical sovereignty isn't a very good argument since the area wasn't sovereign before 1948, and it was divided by UN mandate in 1948.
Every country is a settlement, you're really not making a point.
Look into the chain of events that caused Israeli/Palestinian enmity, then what caused those events, and so forth. You'll find the only innocent side here are the civilians.