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Support for Third U.S. Political Party Up to 63%
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stein wasn't a spoiler. the whole narrative of spoiler candidates presumes that republicans or democrats own votes but they don't. voters own votes, and tehy get to decide who they want to give them to. it's not as though democrats don't know what it is that green party voters want, they just don't care if they get green party voters to switch.
Reality is, if you vote green you’re giving Republicans +1. You either know your candidate won’t win, or aren’t smart enough to understand probability. Regardless the outcome is the same no matter what excuse you give.
Eh...
Lots of people who voted 3rd party wouldn't vote for either of the top 2 parties.
I 100% agree it's the same as not voting for that race. But I wouldn't go as far as to say it's essentially a vote for a party.
Not voting is also +1 for the other side.
That's what I'm talking about...
Roughly a third of eligible voters don't identify as either party.
Most of them rarely vote, a few vote third party. You could argue both groups aren't voting, but you can't pretend they'd all vote D instead. They'd probably just not vote.
Anyone who is undecided at this time is either extremely naive or doesn’t want to publicly admit their real position for some reason. These sides are basically authoritarian fascism only concerned with rich people getting richer and everyone else. We don’t debate policy anymore. The right has none. They fabricate a bunch of bullshit to keep people angry and then grift grift grift every chance they get.
If you’re not in the “everyone else” camp, stop here.
Otherwise, if you are, none of us are going to get everything we want. Let’s get that out there right now. If you are with a group of friends deciding on where to go to dinner, you compromise. You don’t sit there and refuse and just starve. That’s life. Make your case for the choice you want. If you don’t have the support, work to find your next best choice. Don’t sit there and do nothing.
crazy. that's how i see both parties.
Get your eyes checked
read mussolini.
if I vote green I'm voting against republicans.
Only Symbolically. In reality your splitting the vote among broadest like minded individuals which gives the advantage to the opposition. You don’t have to like it, but that’s the consequence.
if others were like-minded they'd be voting for my candidate. if they're concerned about vote splitting, they should vote with the people they know will not compromise and vote for someone THEY don't want to win.
You don’t have to like it
Yes, 99% of voters should conform to you. Not the other way around.
if you have 99% of voters, you don't need me. let me vote for who i want to win.
Depends on the election. I’m not asking you to do anything. I’m telling you you’re helping accomplish the opposite of what you want versus something close to what you want.
impossible: what i want is for fascist to get out of office, not for a less-fascist politician to win. that's why i'm planning to vote green again.
Voting for a Golden Retriever would be just as effective, but with the added bonus of making people happy.
cornel west didn't put Thomas on the bench, and I don't think he would have, so I'm going to vote for him.
I don't think a golden retriever could dismantle the American empire with the same efficacy as cornel west, and I e never heard one promise to do so. I'm just going to vote for cornel west: is actually on the left and he never wrote a bill that jailed people or funded police and prisons and military adventurism.
false dichotomy
Give me a third possibility
i don't know whether my candidate will win (JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER VOTER), and i understand probability
you can't have evidence about the future.
where did you buy your crystal ball, and do they make them in black?
no, they're not.
False. It's like youre ignoring the post article. 63% is more than enough to start voting third party
63% of people say they want another option, not 63% of people want the same other option. At best you could have the Republican Party split, but they know that means losing everywhere so they won’t actually do it.
The Libertarian party splits the Republican party far more than the greens split the Dems. We need to promote more parties so they split the vote of both parties.
it's definitively NOT demonstrably false: you can't prove a counterfactual, so you can't prove what would have happened if stein wasn't on the ballot.
so what? hilary garnered more votes than trumps margin of victory over stein. was hilary a spoiler?
if trump pulled more registered democrat votes in those states, would he be his own spoiler?
where does it end?
even raising the russophobic smear campaign in any way other than to condemn it is fucking gross.
the infamous photo is just a smear. the explanation is innocent.
it was the RT 10th anniversary dinner, and RT is a major news outlet who has let her spread her message. it's no more complicated than that.
these are just smears and false equivalencies.
what I said was true. you don't have to like it.
no, it's worse: from the seat of the presidency he legitimized putin. all stein did is buy a ticket to a dinner and get stuck with a shitty tablemate.
so? is Putin a fascist plutocrat or a dignitary due respect from the POTUS?
don't suck Putin's dick just because it has some of Obama's spit on it.
she didn't know he'd be there. she didn't make the seating arrangements. all the insinuation is fucking gross and you should apologize to her.
I hope she sees this.
In a practical sense the major parties do own the votes.
come and take it