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[-] yournamehere@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

rural life can not be austainable.

move out of city for cheap house etc - than complain about no wifi, no doctors etc - force government to have fiber internet - yadda yadda

people who advocate rural areas are just big egoists and ignorant

[-] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 7 points 2 years ago

rural life can not be sustainable.

Cities need farms to feed the inhabitants of the cites, farms can't exist without farmers (yet) and there's plenty of types of businesses farmers need to visit fairly frequently in order to live. This creates and sustains the small farm communities the dot the rural landscape between large cities

move out of city for cheap house etc - than complain about no wifi, no doctors etc - force government to have fiber internet - yadda yadda

Farmers need services too. Are you just saying everyone unlucky enough to be born outside of a major metropolis must go without medical care or access to modern services?

Also fiber is literally cheaper in the long term. It has effectively infinite bandwidth, requires no maintenance except repairing damage by excavation/natural disasters/wildlife (which any kind of utility line requires) and can run literally hundreds of kilometers without any repeaters or anything else to maintain the signal inbetween.

ISPs were (and still are in many places) utilizing worn out, sometimes over a century old telephone and cable television infrastructure to deliver internet to places that hadn't yet gotten fiber, and it perpetuates a digital divide that prevents kids growing up on farms from accessing services that might help them be the most productive members of society that they can be

people who advocate rural areas are just big egoists and ignorant

I think you're the ignorant one in this case

[-] yournamehere@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

assumptions assumptions.

look at the facts.

co2 -> rural homes cause way more emissions

...so does their commute.

they cost, we pay

internet...extremely expensive to get fibre everywhere. ...so is public transport.

the cost, we pay

i do not see how a planet with growing numbers of ppl could allow rural areas really

[-] uis@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

internet...extremely expensive to get fibre everywhere.

Fibre cost per kilometer is much cheaper than copper. Fibre is cheapest way to get internet everywhere.

[-] yournamehere@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

starlink not cheaper?

the point is that it costs money to get infrastructure anywhere. and those ppl that just want to live out their fantasy to build their own ugly home somewhere in the woods just care about themselves.

[-] michaelrose@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

Starlink is actually extremely expensive and slow. About $600 for the dish and about $100 for speed slower than my cable plan in 2003 as slow as 25Mbps. Worse even though rural areas are spread out a good chunk of people tend towards smaller clumps close enough to be sharing the same bandwidth. The entire constellation doesn't scale to supporting a reasonable experience to even a fraction of rural America let alone planet earth.

You still basically need to run fiber into every town however small.

[-] yournamehere@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

thanks. i hoped it was faster really.

[-] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago

assumptions assumptions. look at the facts.

I literally provided facts and linked on the ones that are not common knowledge

i do not see how a planet with growing numbers of ppl could allow rural areas really

WHERE WILL THE FOOD BE GROWN THEN?! WHERE WILL THE RESOURCES TO BUILD AND MAINTAIN THE CITIES COME FROM?!

[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

Also housing in cities is artificially expensive because it's illegal to.built dense housing in.most of it.because of suburbanites who wanna play pretend farmhouse

[-] yournamehere@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

paris.

dense enough? considered worth living? because if all ppl would live i a terrible terrible city like paris, we'd have a shitload of nature back.

anyone who thinks one deserves to live rural just says his/her personal choice of lifestyle is more important than a future for the kids. rural areas destroy so much nature and take up way too much land.

[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

Worse yet is when people claim to want to live rural but just end up in some distant suburb instead

[-] snooggums@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

Suburbs are part of the spectrum between rural and urban. Some population density and some open space.

The main problem with suburbs is that they are exclusively residential instead of a mix with commercial.

[-] uis@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Suburbs are worst of both worlds. And american suburbs based on what I know about them are worst type of suburbs.

[-] snooggums@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

I lived in a suburb that had shopping and a city park in easy walking distance as a kid and it was pretty awesome. I now live in one where the nearest business is 2 miles away and it sucks. Both in the US and with wildly different experiences.

I also lived in a fairly dense residential area that was great as there were businesses in walking distance that were fun to go to, and another where there were businesses, but they all sucked so I had to drive somewhere else.

The real problem is the separation if residential and business zoning to such a degree that going to any business requires transportation.

[-] uis@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

it.because of suburbanites who wanna play pretend farmhouse

And don't pay for it

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