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Whatever gets fewer kids into the world I support.
I understand the sentiment, but supporting this is sort of conceding the anti-abortion laws are there to stay and I don't think we should accept that.
If you want to get a vasectomy, fine. That's a personal choice. But the reason so many men are signing up for a free vasectomy isn't because it's a good financial deal. It's because we're losing the fight and we need to start winning it again.
I completely agree about the need to fight for our bodily autonomy. I'm old and postmenopausal even if I hadn't yeeted the uterus years ago. But I am appalled that my daughters don't have even the meager protection of Rowe v Wade.
There's a tiny bit of my soul that is gratified however by the way more men are starting to step up and take on the responsibility of pregnancy prevention.
Anti-natalism definitely the most empathetic ideology and not at all misanthropic
Fewer unwanted kids, I can get behind.
If you’re talking about global sustainability, it’s a little more complicated than just “less is better”.
Please expound on the complexity.
Well a lot of social safety nets require on a continually growing work force, of course they could be removed but that will never happen. Immigration is also a good solution but it's unclear if in many places that will ever be expanded. But furthermore, there is no reason to stop people having kids in most situations.
have you seen the hellscape out there mate?
introducing more load onto an overloaded system isn't going to do those future generations any favors.
The world is not overloaded, Malthus thought it was a long time ago, but the planet I pretty big.
fuck malthus he didn't know shit from shinola. the world is cooking friend. baking. shit's on fire yo.
Yeah but that's not due to pure numbers of people
you're disregarding basic physics. more consumers burning more shit for energy food and heat.
this is ridiculous, I'm done here. blocking.
Exactly, burning. If we do away with the burning, trading fossil fuels for environmentally friendly alternatives, we can reduce or eliminate greenhouse gases, the biggest contributor to climate change.
Here's a few things to consider, but I'm hardly the person to give an authoritative list.
We can support a crapton more people if we all go Amish. We gotta reduce growth to a global lottery system 30 years ago if we want everyone in the world to live like a median American.
This isn't a one-size-fits-all-age answer, either. People need more resources as they get older, and contribute less work in return. An aging population means more economic stress on the younger population, and less economic output relative to each senior citizen means less access to medical care.
Some things are getting bad faster than others, some things are closer to breaking points, etc.
If we assume only tiny incremental improvements for centuries to come, then we're preparing for something very different than if we're trying to keep research investment steady or even accelerate progress on things like fusion, carbon removal, microplastics remediation, and power distribution and storage.
Some philosophies say that limiting a person's reproduction is categorically immoral, even if the predictable consequence is that everyone dies. Some TESCREAL dudes say we should use nukes cuz the ends justify the means.
We have lived experience that an aging population isn't great for getting effective policy in place.
Population change policies certainly won't be done globally in lockstep, which means in order to stabilize local economies, there will be more immigration for places where the internal population growth is slowing/reversing. That can easily lead to xenophobia, which could destabilize everything. It's hard to fight global climate change when you're dealing with local fascism.
etc.
That's why I can pretty much only reliably say "people who don't want kids... not being forced to have kids... is an unambiguously good thing" and I can't extend that to people who do want kids.