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[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Did people in the USSR hate their governments?" - https://dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq.html#did-the-citizens-of-the-soviet-union-dislike-their-government

"Did the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact countries have functioning democracies?" - https://dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq.html#did-the-soviet-union-and-the-warsaw-pact-nations-have-functioning-democracies

It's also interesting how people who's 50, who would have been around 18 when the USSR collapsed or their country seceeded and would have spent their entire adulthood and potentially a part of their teenhood bearing the shockwaves rocking every part of their country under the newly established capitalism (their supposed liberation and salvation and who their new governments claimed would fix literally everything and make them not miserable anymore) that nearly destroyed plenty of Eastern European countries, are overwhelmingly against the USSR, but the trend goes to far more favorable of the USSR the older you get. I'm sure it's just nostalgia though, the oldest people are just behind on the times and their opinions don't count.

Edit: I fixed a miscalculation I made regarding how old people were when the USSR collapsed. My bad.

[-] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

If capitalism destroyed Eastern Europe, it's news to Eastern Europe

[-] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

The USSR collapsed in 1991 so you would be 18 then if you're 50 now. It very much depends on where in the USSR you were, the countries resisting their imperialism got the worse of it. In the baltics most older folks lost family or friends to the occupation so their views on it aren't actually favourable, especially if they remember the time before occupation.

[-] kmkz_ninja@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Would Chinese people tell you they hate their government? Is Chinese authoritarianism a good thing just because the people within China don't complain?

[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Most don't, supported by a Harvard study of all things, not the CPC or Chinese media: https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/

Harvard even discusses their methods of gathering honest information from locals and how they try to ensure people aren't lying because they're afraid of retribution. Surely the most famous and prestigious university in the US would have thought of that.

[-] zbyte64 9 points 1 year ago

Damn good read. Thanks

[-] Gerula@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Here there is a cesspit of inexperienced communists. That means you are dreaming of something written in books or explained by other dreamers but haven't yourself experience the "superior" lifestyle of the "new man".

I haven't read all the links in detail but at least the statistics concerning my country are total bullshit. They aren't faked but the results are misrepresented in a more perverse and I dare to say "comunist way" (meaning the same practices that dominated my country and society for 45 years).

L.E.: it seems my comment hit a sensitive spot. Thank you!

[-] huge_clock@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

The economically left in Russia are also socially conservative (unlike in most western countries).

[-] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Tell that to Ukraine and Kazakstan!

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