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Defederated from Feddit.nl. Update: Refederated! (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by lwadmin@lemmy.world to c/lemmyworld@lemmy.world

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Lately we have been dealing with a few abusive members from Feddit.nl and we were unable to get in touch with the instance administrator.

Part of the problem is the instance's open registrations which do not require you to enter an e-mail address during signup. This in combination with an inactive admin is a recipe for abuse.

We hope this is only temporary but we have to do this to protect our users.

Edit: we use fediseer, have a look https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/detail/lemmy.world

Edit 2: We got in touch with the Feddit.nl admin. Email requirements were added to the sign-up process and we're setting up a communication channel. So that means we are federating with Feddit.nl again!

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[-] PrinceHabib72@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Stuff like this is going to kill the momentum of the fediverse. I'm a reddit refugee, my main account started on vlemmy.net (because it had a policy to not defederate from anything), and when that went poof, I moved to feddit.nl (because it has a policy to not defederate from anything). I believe it is MY prerogative, and no one else's, to decide what I am or am not allowed to see. I curate my own feed by blocking or subscribing to instances I don't or do want to see, respectively.

Regardless of any of this, however, I am now unable to view any content on .world without this account, due to actions entirely outside of my control. Since hosting my own instance is out of the question for me, my options are: find a third instance with a no-defederation policy that hasn't been defederated itself from major instances, have multiple accounts and browse each instance individually, stop browsing altogether, or go back to reddit. As distasteful as the last option is, it's tempting. I know the impulse will be to tell me "good riddance", but I am posting this because I know there are others like me that are tired of instance hopping and trying to find somewhere that doesn't try to police our browsing and also isn't defederated from major instances.

For the record, I don't want a no-defederation instance because I want to browse Nazi or pedo instances. I want a no-defederation instance because I have a principled objection to others telling me what I can or cannot view.

[-] Clbull@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Dunno why you're being downvoted. Defederation feels like a gung-ho way of handling content moderation issues that centralized platforms would be able to directly solve.

[-] PrinceHabib72@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

It is a gung-ho way, but I understand why I'm being downvoted. People hear "I want to have the ability to view anything" or "I don't like being told what I can or cannot view on the internet" as "I want to view CSAM" or "I am actually a Nazi", which should result in an emotional reaction. It's just not what I'm saying.

[-] Clbull@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The problem is that the fediverse is an unmoderated mess, especially with how Lemmy and Mastodon are currently set up.

What's stopping griefers from setting up a brand new instance to spam existing communities with CP?

Of course you speaking bad about the fediverse = downvotes because you're mainly talking with fanboys.

[-] antik@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

What’s stopping griefers from setting up a brand new instance to spam existing communities with CP?

Nothing! But how are you agreeing with PrinceHabib who's saying that should that happen it would be up to him to decide whether or not he wants to see that. Skipping over the fact that the illegal content would be hosted on several instances.

Of course you speaking bad about the fediverse = downvotes because you’re mainly talking with fanboys.

Show me one Lemmy admin that would disagree with your statement about Lemmy being an unmoderated mess? Every instance admin has been asking for better tools from the Lemmy devs for months.

[-] PrinceHabib72@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago

I want to be crystal clear. The content I am talking about wanting to view does NOT include CSAM, which is illegal in practically every country on earth (I'm fairly certain it's actually all of them with any type of functioning government). At no point was I or am I advocating for the existence of CSAM anywhere in the fediverse. The only things I have ever advocated for is for fewer defederations, and dealing with those infractions as you would if it were posted to lemmy.world- namely, deleting the content and blocking the user. I am fully aware that mod tools on lemmy are very limited, and that your hands were tied with a fairly tight rope in regards of what to do about this as you can be legally culpable for content posted on other instances that gets mirrored to yours. I have only ever pointed out that punishing a group for the actions of a few can lead to problems with user retention by forcing innocent users to continue to instance hop, and that's if they don't give up and leave the fediverse. I would bet that very few of feddit's users feel as I do about defederation, and they joined that instance for reasons completely unrelated to that. This is essentially being banned from many communities all at once through literally zero fault of their own. The solution I want is unlikely to occur, nor is it feasible with what lemmy currently has for tools, but that does not stop me from wanting that solution. Many people do not see defederation as a problem, and that also does not stop me from seeing it as one.

[-] PrinceHabib72@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I completely agree. Believe me, I get why the admins are making the choices they are. In the current situation of how the fediverse works, it'd be stupid not to act. I just hope that it's able to be addressed- no more proliferation of CSAM through duplication on every instance, better moderation, more control- so that defederation doesn't have to be used in these situations.