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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by lwadmin@lemmy.world to c/lemmyworld@lemmy.world

Lately we have been dealing with a few abusive members from Feddit.nl and we were unable to get in touch with the instance administrator.

Part of the problem is the instance's open registrations which do not require you to enter an e-mail address during signup. This in combination with an inactive admin is a recipe for abuse.

We hope this is only temporary but we have to do this to protect our users.

Edit: we use fediseer, have a look https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/detail/lemmy.world

Edit 2: We got in touch with the Feddit.nl admin. Email requirements were added to the sign-up process and we're setting up a communication channel. So that means we are federating with Feddit.nl again!

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[-] hypelightfly@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago

There is a common thread in your complaints. This isn't a problem that's going to kill the fediverse it's a problem with instances without moderation. Turns out shitty instances that don't care about moderation are the same ones that "have a policy to not defederate from anything". Stop joining shitty instances that allow literally illegal content and you won't have that problem.

[-] PrinceHabib72@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Yes, but I outlined my reasons for wanting no defederation. VLemmy was perfect- refused to defederate, actively moderated- until the issue with image federation spooked him. Also, saying "illegal content" is a bit meaningless on a globally distributed platform. On both instances- feddit.nl and VLemmy- many users outlined very similar rationale to me when the issue of defederation came up, and you and I both know that defederation is not used only for unmoderated instances. Lemmygrad is aggressively moderated and defederated from most instances because the owners find the political views expressed there distasteful, and that's not the only one.

It just introduces so much personal bias into the fediverse, where individuals who don't like Thing A defederates from instances that allow Thing A, cutting their entire instance off from it. Again, yes, you can join other instances, but that quickly gets annoying trying to find another instance that aligns with your Thing A-positive or neutral views. This is what I'm referring to when I say that it will kill the momentum- users getting frustrated and having to make multiple accounts to essentially dodge a completely unjustified ban (assuming they weren't the ones doing the Bad Thing that caused the defederation) will lead to burnout and lost user retention.

As I also said, there will certainly be an impulse to say "good riddance, we don't need them anyway", but I think it'll lead to more problems. The fediverse has existed as a small pocket of internet for a while. However, things don't shrink as easily as they grow. If lemmy continues to get time and money and resources poured into its development for an ever-shrinking userbase, it won't just go back to how it was. Growth is hard to undo.

[-] hypelightfly@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

Frankly, good riddance we don't need people who won't stick around because bad instances are defederated. That's not a problem that needs to be solved, it's a feature.

[-] PrinceHabib72@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I know a lot of people agree with you. I'm just not one of them. I prefer a more open internet is all, where individuals are responsible for their own personal "defederations", and don't lose access to vast portions of the fediverse due to someone else's actions and decisions unless they go out of their way to keep instance hopping.

[-] DarkWasp@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You should then pay to create the site you want then as you’re in a small minority. That’s how the free market works. Your comments do seriously come across as concern trolling at this point.

[-] PrinceHabib72@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Trust me, I would if I could. It's a shame that I can't.

[-] hypelightfly@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

I prefer a more open internet is all

BS, what you're saying has nothing to do with an "open internet". Stop co-opting terms, a fediverse instance defederating isn't a closed internet. The other instance still exists and you can still access it if you want to.

[-] PrinceHabib72@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Thank you for telling me what I want, I guess? There's a lot between "open" and "closed" internet. Defederation is certainly more towards closed than open, no? And I would prefer it to go the other way, that's all.

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