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Not every criticism of capitalism is communism.
But also, is it any wonder that a platform built without a profit incentive and centred around the concepts of mutual voluntary interaction rather than hierarchical control would attract a more anti-capitalist userbase?
I’m generally baffled that an anti-capitalist user base even exists to be attracted at all.
Having criticism is one thing, but this thread just reads like State Propoganda from the CCCP
And I'm genuinely baffled that anyone can still support modern day capitalism, given the state of the world.
Sure thing, man
I mean no way are you better off than cavemen, hunter getherers, Cubans, Venezuelans, 1940’s Germany or the old USSR.
Medieval England, would you rather live there than here?
Where is this non-capitalist utopia that you’re thinking of when you’re saying this?
I just don't make the mistake of attributing every advancement of human living conditions to capitalism, all while conveniently omitting all of the horrible conditions capitalism also creates.
Let me just explain something very simple here. The base state of man is suffering.
That’s our default. That’s how living works.
What our system has done is alleviate so much of that base suffering that now, we are so incredibly unused to any real suffering that we just make up things to be ‘hurt’ over.
Capitalism has removed almost all of that base suffering from your life. The ‘horrible conditions’ capitalism ‘creates’ is simply handing you much much too cushy of a life.
I mean, who had time to be offended when you’re too busy trying not to starve to death, hiding in the bushes with a spear, hoping a rabbits gonna run by.
No. Sod off with your "explanation" you condescending prick.
Literally just doing the thing I mentioned in my last comment, making "the mistake of attributing every advancement of human living conditions to capitalism, all while conveniently omitting all of the horrible conditions capitalism also creates."
You can misunderstand how life works all you want.
Go be miserable somewhere else
You are using an open source platform, developed without a profit incentive, running on one of the most impactful publicly-funded infrastructure developments of our lifetimes, which is also powered by near countless free-and-open-source tech stacks.
You are on our turf, buddy.
You go somewhere else.
Run out of arguments, so you resort to childish insults.
Technological development is not uniquely the product of capitalism.
Oh, yes capitalism has optimised my devices. But I think that's often bad thing. Because many of those optimisations weren't for my benefit. In fact a huge number of them are directly detrimental to me.
The tech was an open platform focused on solving problems of the people working on it. And then capitalism "optimised" it by adding advertising and spyware, locking it down, removing the ability to control or repair it, and artificially obseleting it in order to drive further sales. All at the expense of the user, and the environment.
The optimisations also often removed user choice and product differentiation, rather than added them.
I don't think I can imagine a statement more false than this.
Capitalism increasing the availability of choice, only so long as those choices are profitable. If they are not profitable, those choices are actively removed. I used to be able to find multitudes of devices that were user-maintainable, had replaceable batteries and expandable storage. But those choices are not profitable, and so they get removed.
Technology would look different under a different economic system. Likely in some ways worse, but in other ways better.
I'm sorry what do you think happened before capitalism existed? Do you think that all Indigenous peoples were struggling to survive before white colonists came and enslaved them? Capitalism has created suffering around the globe.
I'm not pretending that every place that Europeans colonized was some utopia before but Colonialism made all of these places worse. On top of that you're completely generalizing huge groups of people and their practices.
Oh yeah, native American scalping was so bad. Surely worse than Europeans coming in and massacring 100 million native Americans, expelling them from their homes year after year, torturing them for existing, enslaving an African population, building a nation on their backs, then invading nearly the entire earth, causing mass suffering.
Oh yeah where were we? Scalping and inner-tribe fights. Man that was wild!
You're just parroting Thomas Hobbes uncritically
Listen to some other philisophers
Oh! Yes, I also remember 10th grade philosophy class. Was it your first week this week?
Back to school is always fun
Yes... it's obvious you remember it... because you were the one quoting it.
Odd tactic you're using, mate. I told you to broaden the horizons of what philosophies you listen to, because it's clear you're new to the realm and you... are trying to somehow turn it round and suggest I'm the one that's new?
How exactly did you expect this to play out?
Everything you’re spouting as a gift from capitalism is exactly what capitalism has taught you to say in its defence.
I love hearing this delusional thinking. "we actually shouldn't complain about anything, we only complain because we have it better! So if things got even betterer, we would complain morer!! Get it?"
If you're so into suffering, why do you want to involve everyone else in it? We want a better world. No one will force you to live happily.
Look, I'm from Hong Kong, and I despise the CCP.
This is nowhere near anything like the CCP.