49
submitted 1 year ago by psion1369@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[-] autumn@reddthat.com 90 points 1 year ago

Some broad answers:

  1. Fee is higher than people are willing to pay
  2. People don't trust the experts
  3. The experts don't exist yet
  4. People have no idea how to find the experts
[-] bismuthbob@sopuli.xyz 73 points 1 year ago

Adding on to this: people overestimate their own expertise.

[-] PetDinosaurs@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

Dunning-Kruger also has a corollary: the very intelligent under estimate their intelligence.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Ask a really smart person if they know a lot about a topic they know a lot about...

And they'll tell you about all the things they don't know about the subject.

Ask an idiot about a topic they know nothing about, and they'll bullshit about how they know everything.

It's why the smartest people at any company are rarely running shit. Overconfidence always sells better than being realistic about your ability.

[-] dingus@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

In other words, people saying they know everything are selling something. In your example, themselves.

[-] PetDinosaurs@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Yes. You have summarized the Dunning-Kruger effect.

[-] dingus@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Except it's completely normalized to teach people to "sell themselves" to be able to get a job. It's not necessarily that they think they know more than they do. They might be very aware of their limitations, but have no shame and are willing to bend the truth to "get ahead."

If you go in trying to get an expert position and start talking about all the things you don't know, you're probably not getting the job, you know?

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

Outside of the context of job interviews, I find when talking informally with someone who truly knows a shitload, they tend to know enough to know how much more there is to know and may make mention of that along the way. And those that don't know how much they don't know of course can't really mention that because they can't even convince of all the stuff they don't know.

I always pay attention to people who are like the former and who are comfortable with maintaining an appropriate level of uncertainty because it usually means they think more scientifically.

Or put another way, he who speaks loudest knows least.

[-] PetDinosaurs@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I find when talking informally with someone who truly knows a shitload, they tend to know enough to know how much more there is to know and may make mention of that along the way.

Good answer!

[-] bjorney@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago

Very much 4

We wanted to get an engineer to audit something we set up, talking like 1 hour phone call, maybe 1 hour of work beyond that if something needed to be adjusted

We wasted like 4 hours on the line with different agencies (talking to sales people) who wanted to connect us with a DIFFERENT agency to do the actual work, who wanted us to sign a 3 year service contract.

Like no, "please just let us talk to one of your senior engineers and bill us $500/hr for his time"

[-] zero_iq@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

While a 3 year service contract was clearly overkill, your estimate of 1 hour is ridiculously tiny. Nothing of any worth can be audited with a 1 hour phone call.

[-] PetDinosaurs@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not true at all.

It's just a bad idea. You need to have a minimum contracted price.

There's plenty of "$0.10 for the screw $1m for knowing that's the solution" stories.

[-] bjorney@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

In this case, by "audit" it was more of a metaphorical "here is our setup, do we plug this into slot A or B, we don't want to read the 300 page manual", so 1 hour was literally all it needed

Spoiler: I ended up reading the 300 page manual, it took a week. That was 3 years ago and we have never touched it since

[-] claycle@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

#1.

Don't you just know it?! I work in media and I have pitched commercial projects to business executives many times only to see them completely choke on the costs. They say things like "Can't we just film the commercial on an iPhone, I see that on YouTube all the time?" FFS. I'll be like "Sure, we can. What's your budget for that? You realize I still have to pay the cameraman, the makeup artist, the writer, the producer, the director, the gaffer, and the talent. Do you want music with that, too? Oh, you want a Credence Clearwater Revival song in the background? That'll cost you."

I'll pull out some sheets explaining what they see on YT that they think is so cheap... I mean, sure, it's less expensive than other options, but crew and talent gotta eat and pay bills, too.

People have no idea...

[-] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

The experts don't exist yet

This is something that people often don't know about. For certain things there can actually be little to no experts. One example, ski lifts. There are only a handful of people in the entire world who know how to splice together ski lift cables.

A more concerning one is nuclear engineers. There's been such a stigma against nuclear power that the amount of people who know how to build a nuclear reactor has fallen to incredibly low numbers. Also, the US had to reverse engineer some of their own nuclear weapons because the people who built them all died and the knowledge of how they were built died with them.

[-] MomoTimeToDie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Also, the US had to reverse engineer some of their own nuclear weapons because the people who built them all died and the knowledge of how they were built died with them.

Tbf, the main reason behind that one was classification. Nobody without need to know was told, and it wasn't just written down somewhere so it couldn't be leaked.

this post was submitted on 05 Sep 2023
49 points (100.0% liked)

Asklemmy

43916 readers
1049 users here now

A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions

Search asklemmy ๐Ÿ”

If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!

  1. Open-ended question
  2. Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
  3. Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
  4. Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
  5. An actual topic of discussion

Looking for support?

Looking for a community?

~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de~

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS