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Ukraine expands conscription, removes medical exemptions for HIV, hepatitis, mental disorders and more (archive.ph)

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Now, the words and figures "with the exception of articles 2-c, 4-c, 5-c, 12-c, 13-c, 14-c, 17-c, 21-c and 22-c" have been removed from the Regulation, i.e. everyone will be recognised as fit under the "controversial" articles:

2-c – clinically treated tuberculosis;

4-c – viral hepatitis with minor functional impairment;

5-c – asymptomatic HIV carrier;

12-c - slowly progressive and non-progressive with minor functional impairment and rare exacerbations of anaemia, blood clotting disorders, purpura, haemorrhagic conditions, other diseases of the blood and haematopoietic organs, and some disorders involving the immune mechanism;

13-c - diseases of the endocrine system with minor functional disorders;

14-c - mild, short-term, painful manifestations of mental disorders;

17-c - neurotic, stress-related and somatoform disorders with moderate or short-term manifestations, with an asthenic state;

21-c – slowly progressive diseases of the central nervous system with minor functional disorders;

22-c – episodic and paroxysmal disorders, except for epilepsy, with minor impairment of organ and system functions.

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[-] pelikan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ukraine:

closed border for all males;
non-stop involuntary draft of unwilling citizens;
resorts to conscripting HIV positives and people with mental health issues.

Russia:

first wave of forced mobilization ended half year ago, second wave still not started;
still has open border for most citizens (which actually helped a lot of them to avoid first wave of mobilization).

In alternative reality created by western massmedia this definately means that Russia is short of manpower. In world of logical thinking this actually means something else.

[-] deft@ttrpg.network 35 points 1 year ago

one is being INVADED

You fucking idiot lol

[-] pelikan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The question wasn't who's being INVADED, the question was who's DESPERATE FOR MANPOWER.

wtf you've lost the point of conversation and of your own original message, that's the real sign of ridiculous idiocy

[-] deft@ttrpg.network 14 points 1 year ago

HOLY FUCK y'all so stupid.

let me explain it for you, c'mon hold my hand.

If your country is being invaded every single person is part of the war effort. Every one. Even if you just cut grass or worked at costco, because you are being invaded and under threat of war. You're part of a war effort. Remanaging your resources like manpower to more war adjacent positions makes complete sense. All hands on deck, we are invaded.

If you are invading and must conscript fighters, your invasion is a meat grinder not going well.

Russia was supposed to end this war long ago, in their minds. At this point it is a sunk cost and they HAVE to win or they severely lose on a play they made.

So no. Not the same. Russia is doing terrible.

[-] pelikan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

Thanks for interesting excursion into your delusions. Actually you've just written WHY Ukraine is more desperate for manpower than Russia ("every single person is part of war effort and so on"). So you yourself proved your initial position to be wrong, but you were too lame to grasp that. And about "we are invaded": the only war that you personally wage is war in lemmy comments against facts, logics and critical thinking. Don't try to cover your own nullity with other's casualities.

[-] deft@ttrpg.network 5 points 1 year ago

personal attack, personal attack... huh nothing? no content ok.

Ukraine is fighting for their lives, Russia is forcing a fight for personal gain of the rich. Different games they're playing you stupid cuck lol

[-] deft@ttrpg.network 6 points 1 year ago

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/05/world/europe/cuba-russia-war-human-trafficking.html

trafficking people = more desperate

sorry was dunking on another one of you and saw your reply to me, figured I'd just smack that in here thanks

[-] pelikan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

So Russia tried to hire some Cuban mercenaries... literally same as Ukraine has done since the begginning of conflict, scraping mercs from entire world. So there's no point to argue, really trafficing more mercs = more desperate. From the third attempt you finally managed to bring something like valid argument, sadly it clearly works against you and once again shows that you're bot without any logical thinking.

[-] deft@ttrpg.network 2 points 1 year ago

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/11/world/europe/russia-military-draft-ukraine.html

Cuba doesn't allow mercenary groups, neither does Kazakhstan who Russia has also trafficked people from.

Sounds like your boy Russia is struggling babe

[-] vitriolix@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

"trafficing more mercs = more desperate". ... yes, they are desperate, they are being invaded by a much bigger country with a huge military

[-] gencha@feddit.de 20 points 1 year ago

Russia did hire Wagner, who recruited from prisons, right?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

That was like 20k people, and Russian army is estimated to be around 400k now.

[-] deft@ttrpg.network 10 points 1 year ago

Weird with 400k people they still can't get shit done and are being bombed on their own turf after failing an invasion with a consistent supply issue. Real weird.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, really weird how Russia is conserving its manpower by letting Ukraine deplete the army the west helped put together and arm for three months. I wonder what will happen once Ukraine depletes its military resources in the coming months. Gotta love all the arm chair generals opining on things they have no clue about. Here, read what an actual military expert has to say on the subject. Maybe you'll learn something, but I doubt it. https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine

[-] deft@ttrpg.network 6 points 1 year ago

read it.

December 22, 2022. Literally almost a year old.
Talks about manpower, likely 3 million draftable men in Ukraine, fails to acknowledge that as the county being invaded they don't only draft men. There are far more than the 400k (HIGHLY UN)willing Russian ~~meat shields~~ soldiers.
Mentions Russian firepower might, doesn't acknowledge with outdated weapons.
Article was written before Ukrainian counter offensive, before Ukraine landed shots on Russian soil and before F-15s.

nice trash you got there kid can i shit on it more? oh I can? thanks.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/09/05/russian-recruiters-lure-cubans-to-fight-in-ukraine-with-promises-of-money-citizenship-a82360

that's an article from a Pro Russian website.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/05/world/europe/cuba-russia-war-human-trafficking.html

Russia is LITERALLY trafficking people because their own soldiers won't fight. 400k fighting force? More like nada.

Lick my sack boy, fondle them with your wanna-be silver tongue you CCP pussy bitch.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

nice trash you got there kid can i shit on it more? oh I can? thanks.

I love how this imbecile reads an article by U.S. Lt. Col. Alex Vershinin retired after 20 years of service, including eight years as an armor officer with four combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan and 12 years working as a modeling and simulations officer in NATO and U.S. Army concept development and experimentation, and calls it trash.

Everything the article predicts is currently happening.

Meanwhile, not sure what you think the relevance of your article is here. However, attributing thought to you may be too generous.

You are an utter imbecile and life is going to get very hard for you in the near future. Enjoy being smug while you can though.

[-] deft@ttrpg.network 3 points 1 year ago

uncomfortable for me? I'm not the one living paycheck to paycheck off Russian and Chinese propaganda lol

year old article.

let's see today.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/05/world/europe/cuba-russia-war-human-trafficking.html

again, trafficking for soldiers. still no comment? bad look imo.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/09/04/arnold-ukraine-counteroffensive-united-states-weapons/

"Retired U.S. Army Brig. Gen. Mark Arnold, by contrast, isn’t the least bit surprised at the slow pace of the advance — and he’s blaming the Americans, not the Ukrainians....

...June 23, at the very start of the counteroffensive, he emailed me: “I remain very skeptical that a decisive battle will occur this year that makes a material effect toward Ukrainian victory. That can happen next summer when the majority of maneuver equipment arrives from NATO into Ukraine.”

So this guy seems to think once equipped it is GG? And since we only are pumping more equipment that way, it really just continues the way it has for Russia. Pound for pound Ukraine has done more to Russia, yes Russia has more soldiers and a larger population or GPD.

Yet when we look at the actual situation. Russia has failed to take anything significant, they estimated a win by now. Why no win?

Now an entrenched populace, being further armed and personally fueled to fight faces kidnapped Cubans, Russian criminals and force conscripts.

Which is why Russia is losing because simply put as we Americans say, you can lead a horse to water but ya can't make him drink.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/5/putin-says-again-ukraine-counteroffensive-has-failed-as-kyiv-claims-gains

Weird, out of all the territory Russia held, Ukraine has reclaimed 54% of it. WOW that is more than half golly, in less than half the time too gee whiz.

And now they're being equipped with only more weapons?? And Russia is pleading to Iran and North Korea and China for weapons? Hm.. thought Russia had a bigger arsenal.