Apparently the EU passed a bill that would require companies to have batteries that could be replaced with no specialized tools and that "the process of replacement shall be able to be carried out by a layman". With a 2027 deadline
This is only a thing in the US. In other parts of the world, iphone users have to adapt to whatever messenger platform has the most people in it (likely whatsapp or facebook messenger, maybe telegram)
It’s worth noting that the current lightning cable is also limited to usb 2.0 speeds. They’re not making the usb c version any slower than it already is.
Right, but I assume what it means is that any Apple charging cable will be generally useless as a USBC cable for anything other than charging an iPhone, which very much violates the spirit of the EU anti-waste law.
For most people, it won't matter. But a USBC cable which can't support USB3 data rates probably also won't support proper USB-PD, or USB-HDMI/DP, etc. The dream of having one universal physical standard for charging and high data rate comms will be violated in principle, even if it makes little difference in practice.
USB C is already a mess, and plenty of Android devices don't support USB 3.0 speeds either. Apple changing to USB C port changes nothing except for the literal receptacle.
I honestly feel like it's a mistake that USB-C means almost nothing outside of "it's got this port shape." The idea was that you have one port and one cable, and you plug whatever you want into it. In practice, virtually no where is this true. Is this a data port or power only? What speed for either? Does the port support Thunderbolt or no? Video or no? Does the cable support data or just power? What speed? Video? Which HDMI spec? Thunderbolt? Grab 3 random devices with USB-C and 3 random USB-C cables and see how often you get the intended outcome.
Tbh I think the only goal that USB-C really accomplishes is that it's less shitty than micro-usb (might as well make all of those ports/connectors out of paper mache) or USB-A (let's make a port shape that there is no way for anyone living or dead to plug in correctly the first time.)
Legislating that everything shall be a $50 20Gbps cable stuffed with impedance matched micro-coax and shielding on top of shielding on top of shielding just means that nobody can afford it.
USB-C is not and will never this thing that you are imagining. It is one commonly shaped hole, with all the incompatible connections of yesteryear now lurking in a mess of unreadable symbols next to each port. This one can charge. That one can thunderbolt. These can send out power, if you want to use your laptop as a $2000 portable battery. This one sends out video, but wait it's only HDMI, and only if that port over there isn't using its superspeed lanes.
Being able to record raw 4k60 video means huge file sizes. Transferring over what we hope will be usb3 speeds would be much faster than any other available medium to iPhone.
This is the amazingly, insanely stupid thing about the idea that at least for Apple's Pro line, which they'll painstakingly put together videos showing iPhones being used as actual movie cameras in big gimbal rigs and how they can capture 4k60 and put messages in the OS that shooting 20 minutes of video is going to take your entire phone storage even if you got the big one, and the options for transfer are wifi or USB 2.0. For a potential terabyte. Very Pro to sit and wait for an hour or several.
Android is superior and I'll die on this hill. Want a phone built nicer than an iPhone? Here you go. Want a cheap phone because your on a budget or it's not important to you? Here you go. Want an operating system you can configure to your liking, or even install your own version of it? Here you go. Want a headphone jack? Here you go.
Samsung and pixels have been doing 3-4 years of updates for a while now, and pixels are moving to 5 years with the 8 series coming out in a couple months.
Without fail around 1.5 years the battery was almost useless and the usability would slow to a grind and it would get super warm. I had to upgrade often.
Eventually decided to try iPhone. I’m on a 12 pro that I got at launch still. Never used a case or screen protector. Dropped more times than I can count. I’ve even been swimming with it several times by accident. (Twice over an hour before realizing)
Battery life is greater than 80% of its launch life still. The phone still fucking works great, I have zero issues with it. I have saved money by using iPhone because I’m not replacing it all the time.
I LOVE Android for its flexibility and freedom of choice etc. those things can’t be taken away from that platform. But a phone that’s built like a brick shit house that just fucking works? I found that in an iPhone.
Exactly. It’s the same for virtually anything code-related; more flexibility equals more bugs. Yes, i phone goes a little overboard sometimes, but there phones aren’t just some status symbol. An android is a fine option, it just doesn’t meet some people’s needs. It’s like when people try to suggest windows or linux to me. I use each of them frequently, you know what I find the most buggy? Windows. You know what needs the most configuration? Linux. The Mac just works. “But Google can fix the issue” I know it can. I never said it couldn’t. I just like being able to turn on my device and have it work after I’ve fixed bugs all day
I don't do it often either, but it came in clutch this week when I re-installed Linux Mint and needed to download the drivers for my wifi card via tethering.
Apple uses the standard USB-PD standard for all existing wired USB-C charging, uses the QI standard for wireless, and directly contributed their magsafe technology to the next generation of the QI wireless standard, so there's no reason to think they will make iPhone wireless charging proprietary.
Furthermore, they'll be shooting themselves in the foot. The EU is already curtailing wireless charging lock-in, by mandating Qi charging support. A tailor-made solution might have a higher speed, but as technologies improve, the "harmonised interoperability" will be bumped up by the EU parliament.
Lastly, this legislation doesn't seem aimed at just the EU. My legalese isn't all that great, but it seems they're highly encouraging members of the EEA (non-EU) to adopt similar legislation too.
Apparently the EU passed a bill that would require companies to have batteries that could be replaced with no specialized tools and that "the process of replacement shall be able to be carried out by a layman". With a 2027 deadline
Yes please, I hate how hard it currently is
But then how will people know I am willing to blow money, implying that I have extra cash to waste, if they don't see a blue bubble?
This is only a thing in the US. In other parts of the world, iphone users have to adapt to whatever messenger platform has the most people in it (likely whatsapp or facebook messenger, maybe telegram)
I have heard people at my school criticizing Android for "green text messages"
It’s worth noting that the current lightning cable is also limited to usb 2.0 speeds. They’re not making the usb c version any slower than it already is.
Right, but I assume what it means is that any Apple charging cable will be generally useless as a USBC cable for anything other than charging an iPhone, which very much violates the spirit of the EU anti-waste law.
For most people, it won't matter. But a USBC cable which can't support USB3 data rates probably also won't support proper USB-PD, or USB-HDMI/DP, etc. The dream of having one universal physical standard for charging and high data rate comms will be violated in principle, even if it makes little difference in practice.
The iPhone already doesn't support USB 3.0 speeds, or video out from the port so nothing would be lost.
And the data rate of the cable has no impact on it's power delivery capability. I have USB 2.0 speed cables capable of doing 240 watts. Plus the iPhone already does USB PD, just through the lightning port. https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/12152bd5-5977-4cf3-9dd5-c302ca78462b.jpeg
USB C is already a mess, and plenty of Android devices don't support USB 3.0 speeds either. Apple changing to USB C port changes nothing except for the literal receptacle.
I honestly feel like it's a mistake that USB-C means almost nothing outside of "it's got this port shape." The idea was that you have one port and one cable, and you plug whatever you want into it. In practice, virtually no where is this true. Is this a data port or power only? What speed for either? Does the port support Thunderbolt or no? Video or no? Does the cable support data or just power? What speed? Video? Which HDMI spec? Thunderbolt? Grab 3 random devices with USB-C and 3 random USB-C cables and see how often you get the intended outcome.
Tbh I think the only goal that USB-C really accomplishes is that it's less shitty than micro-usb (might as well make all of those ports/connectors out of paper mache) or USB-A (let's make a port shape that there is no way for anyone living or dead to plug in correctly the first time.)
Legislating that everything shall be a $50 20Gbps cable stuffed with impedance matched micro-coax and shielding on top of shielding on top of shielding just means that nobody can afford it.
USB-C is not and will never this thing that you are imagining. It is one commonly shaped hole, with all the incompatible connections of yesteryear now lurking in a mess of unreadable symbols next to each port. This one can charge. That one can thunderbolt. These can send out power, if you want to use your laptop as a $2000 portable battery. This one sends out video, but wait it's only HDMI, and only if that port over there isn't using its superspeed lanes.
People are transferring data to their phones via a cable?
Yes
Why? (Genuine question)
Being able to record raw 4k60 video means huge file sizes. Transferring over what we hope will be usb3 speeds would be much faster than any other available medium to iPhone.
This is the amazingly, insanely stupid thing about the idea that at least for Apple's Pro line, which they'll painstakingly put together videos showing iPhones being used as actual movie cameras in big gimbal rigs and how they can capture 4k60 and put messages in the OS that shooting 20 minutes of video is going to take your entire phone storage even if you got the big one, and the options for transfer are wifi or USB 2.0. For a potential terabyte. Very Pro to sit and wait for an hour or several.
Not just expensive, they're also environmentally unsound! They use more power to charge, more plastic for casing. Hooray?
Android is superior and I'll die on this hill. Want a phone built nicer than an iPhone? Here you go. Want a cheap phone because your on a budget or it's not important to you? Here you go. Want an operating system you can configure to your liking, or even install your own version of it? Here you go. Want a headphone jack? Here you go.
We'll die on this hill together.
Make some room; I'm camping on the hill with you.
“Just want a phone that works and does everything you need without thinking about it with support past two years?…..we, uh, I’ll get back to you...,”
Samsung and pixels have been doing 3-4 years of updates for a while now, and pixels are moving to 5 years with the 8 series coming out in a couple months.
“For a while now” = Since Feb 2022.
But yeah, that’s awesome they finally decided to support their devices!
And Google? Well, thankfully they don’t have a track record of abandoning things, so I’d totally trust them.
IPhones are cool and all, but I'm a fan of usable file management.
I was on Android for years. Galaxy’s and Pixels
Without fail around 1.5 years the battery was almost useless and the usability would slow to a grind and it would get super warm. I had to upgrade often.
Eventually decided to try iPhone. I’m on a 12 pro that I got at launch still. Never used a case or screen protector. Dropped more times than I can count. I’ve even been swimming with it several times by accident. (Twice over an hour before realizing)
Battery life is greater than 80% of its launch life still. The phone still fucking works great, I have zero issues with it. I have saved money by using iPhone because I’m not replacing it all the time.
I LOVE Android for its flexibility and freedom of choice etc. those things can’t be taken away from that platform. But a phone that’s built like a brick shit house that just fucking works? I found that in an iPhone.
Exactly. It’s the same for virtually anything code-related; more flexibility equals more bugs. Yes, i phone goes a little overboard sometimes, but there phones aren’t just some status symbol. An android is a fine option, it just doesn’t meet some people’s needs. It’s like when people try to suggest windows or linux to me. I use each of them frequently, you know what I find the most buggy? Windows. You know what needs the most configuration? Linux. The Mac just works. “But Google can fix the issue” I know it can. I never said it couldn’t. I just like being able to turn on my device and have it work after I’ve fixed bugs all day
It's a drop in the bucket really. You know who has decided not to use a wireless charger in order to save money on their electric bill... Nobody.
I don’t know about you, but I don’t honestly remember the last time I connected my phone to my computer to transfer data
Good for you! I do it at least 3 times a week
Same. Having a 10Gb/s data link from my phone comes in handy pretty fucking often.
Mind if I ask why?
Privately transferring large porn files?
I connected my phone to tether internet since the power was out but the cell network was still going.
iPhones can tether via a wifi connection, so that’s not necessary. Does drain the battery a bit faster, though.
I don't do it often either, but it came in clutch this week when I re-installed Linux Mint and needed to download the drivers for my wifi card via tethering.
EU has already warned them not to throttle charging and transfer speeds just because a cable isn’t MFI
Apple uses the standard USB-PD standard for all existing wired USB-C charging, uses the QI standard for wireless, and directly contributed their magsafe technology to the next generation of the QI wireless standard, so there's no reason to think they will make iPhone wireless charging proprietary.
Furthermore, they'll be shooting themselves in the foot. The EU is already curtailing wireless charging lock-in, by mandating Qi charging support. A tailor-made solution might have a higher speed, but as technologies improve, the "harmonised interoperability" will be bumped up by the EU parliament.
Lastly, this legislation doesn't seem aimed at just the EU. My legalese isn't all that great, but it seems they're highly encouraging members of the EEA (non-EU) to adopt similar legislation too.
Source: europa.eu
Source?