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Apparently the EU passed a bill that would require companies to have batteries that could be replaced with no specialized tools and that "the process of replacement shall be able to be carried out by a layman". With a 2027 deadline
Yes please, I hate how hard it currently is
But then how will people know I am willing to blow money, implying that I have extra cash to waste, if they don't see a blue bubble?
This is only a thing in the US. In other parts of the world, iphone users have to adapt to whatever messenger platform has the most people in it (likely whatsapp or facebook messenger, maybe telegram)
I have heard people at my school criticizing Android for "green text messages"
It’s worth noting that the current lightning cable is also limited to usb 2.0 speeds. They’re not making the usb c version any slower than it already is.
Right, but I assume what it means is that any Apple charging cable will be generally useless as a USBC cable for anything other than charging an iPhone, which very much violates the spirit of the EU anti-waste law.
For most people, it won't matter. But a USBC cable which can't support USB3 data rates probably also won't support proper USB-PD, or USB-HDMI/DP, etc. The dream of having one universal physical standard for charging and high data rate comms will be violated in principle, even if it makes little difference in practice.
The iPhone already doesn't support USB 3.0 speeds, or video out from the port so nothing would be lost.
And the data rate of the cable has no impact on it's power delivery capability. I have USB 2.0 speed cables capable of doing 240 watts. Plus the iPhone already does USB PD, just through the lightning port. https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/12152bd5-5977-4cf3-9dd5-c302ca78462b.jpeg
USB C is already a mess, and plenty of Android devices don't support USB 3.0 speeds either. Apple changing to USB C port changes nothing except for the literal receptacle.
People are transferring data to their phones via a cable?
Yes
Not just expensive, they're also environmentally unsound! They use more power to charge, more plastic for casing. Hooray?
Android is superior and I'll die on this hill. Want a phone built nicer than an iPhone? Here you go. Want a cheap phone because your on a budget or it's not important to you? Here you go. Want an operating system you can configure to your liking, or even install your own version of it? Here you go. Want a headphone jack? Here you go.
We'll die on this hill together.
Make some room; I'm camping on the hill with you.
“Just want a phone that works and does everything you need without thinking about it with support past two years?…..we, uh, I’ll get back to you...,”
Samsung and pixels have been doing 3-4 years of updates for a while now, and pixels are moving to 5 years with the 8 series coming out in a couple months.
“For a while now” = Since Feb 2022.
But yeah, that’s awesome they finally decided to support their devices!
And Google? Well, thankfully they don’t have a track record of abandoning things, so I’d totally trust them.
IPhones are cool and all, but I'm a fan of usable file management.
I don’t know about you, but I don’t honestly remember the last time I connected my phone to my computer to transfer data
Good for you! I do it at least 3 times a week
Mind if I ask why?
Same. Having a 10Gb/s data link from my phone comes in handy pretty fucking often.
I connected my phone to tether internet since the power was out but the cell network was still going.
EU has already warned them not to throttle charging and transfer speeds just because a cable isn’t MFI
Apple uses the standard USB-PD standard for all existing wired USB-C charging, uses the QI standard for wireless, and directly contributed their magsafe technology to the next generation of the QI wireless standard, so there's no reason to think they will make iPhone wireless charging proprietary.
Changing their plug design with every new generation of products has created a lot of e-waste as the older plugs are no longer usable, as well as some countries have deemed this practice as a form of planned obsolescence which they have policies/laws against. So the EU basically told Apple that if their new products didn't switch to a universal standard plug design (currently being the usb-c), then they would not be allowed to sell them in Europe. I'm guessing Apple is now trying to pass this off as their idea.
They don’t change it every generation. Apple has been using the lightning port since 2012.
Yeah it's a really weird reputation Apple's gotten, but it's completely unfair. In the time I've been using Android smartphones they've switched from micro-USB to USB-C.
Over that same time period, Apple has always used Lightning.
Go back a bit further and Apple's older 30-pin connector comes into play, but that's still just 2 cables in the entire history of smartphones so far. Compare that to the proprietary cables that could often vary by model on the various devices that existed prior to Apple and Android taking over the market and it's a pretty good situation.
iPads have been a little worse, going from 30-pin to lightning and starting to use USB-C in 2018. But still, even that's been very stable since then.
There's plenty of legitimate things to criticise Apple for. Like their opposition to the right to repair. We don't need to be making shit up.
Don't forget miniB USB before the microB.
It went: proprietary-->open standard MiniB-->open standard MicroB-->open standard C.
On iPhone: proprietary 30pin-->proprietary Lightning
If every cell phone brand acted like Apple we would have like thirty different proprietary chargers.
We shouldn't give them a pass just because they're the only ones brazen enough to be stupid.
USB C didn't exist when Apple made the lightning connector.
Are they idiots, or are they innovators and the rest are just trying to catch up?
Also, it’s frustrating that everyone acts like lightning has no redeeming qualities. Lightning is a postless port, meaning that the failure mode is outside the device. If you accidentally trip over your cable, the cable will break but the port will be fine. That’s why your grandma can be using a 10 year old iPhone and treat it like shit
I think a serious argument could be made that more e-waste could be made by having a device that has a higher chance of breaking.
I’ll be happy to have a single cable for everything but that device will have a short life overall once it hits the point where the cost of any repair on the port outweighs the value of the device.
I’ll also have a lot of lightning cables that will become obsolete but that’s how it goes. There will be a ton of old people giving a lot of retail works a lot of shit that Apple changed ports just to make money. It happened when they went from 30-pin to lightning over decade ago and will happen again
That reputation is definitely unfair for their mobile devices but extremely fair for their laptops. 3 different magsafe connecters, switched to thunderbolt, switched to a new magsafe connector all over again, all in 10 or so years.
Nothing and no-one other than Apple though, so I would welcome them being forced to use a universal standard instead of that ugly-ass fucking conglomerate of multiple types of bullshit proprietary standard they keep pushing so they can get even more money.
I'd be way happier with Apple existing if they wouldn't always push these overly obvious proprietary money grabbing bullshit.
I mean, yeah, but there’s no need for OP to lie about Apple swapping ports every generation.
what are you talking about? They’ve used the same lightening connector for the past 10 generations.