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[-] Ubermeisters@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It is after all, the only thing you people know how to call out as a systemic issue in the world, so it might as well be solely responsible for every gripe you have I suppose huh.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago

Let's read the article and look the causes:

"With the rising cost of living, I don't think people feel they can afford to, or comfortably say they want to, have children," said 23-year-old Anna Tanaka.

In 2020, women got married for the first time at an average age of 29.4, or 3.9 years later than in 1985, government data shows.

As people have fewer children, they are able to spend more on each child than families have in the past. That drives up the average cost of raising a child for the broader population

Tuition at private universities jumped fivefold between 1975 and 2021, and by 19 times at public universities, data shows.

These are all symptoms of capitalism. Alienation and seeking "class mobility" leads to people getting married later. The cost of living is a capitalist construct, and it rises primarily due to seeking profit. Colleges are also seeking to profit, and have successfully convinced people that taking debt early in life is good for individuals going into the labor pool. The debt also increases alienation and people who would have children are suddenly priced out of it due to education debt.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's hilarious to me that you linked this as somehow a result of capitalism

In 2020, women got married for the first time at an average age of 29.4, or 3.9 years later than in 1985, government data shows.

As people have fewer children, they are able to spend more on each child than families have in the past. That drives up the average cost of raising a child for the broader population

I mean the whole post is silly but this part especially is just chef's kiss as a response to the poster above.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

I explained how they were symptoms of capitalism. If you can't understand it, then maybe you need a deeper understanding of the topic. How doesn't it make sense?

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Having fewer children means you spend more on the fewer children, driving up average cost of raising children

We have one President indicted 91 times so on average Presidents are indicted twice because we've had 46 of them.

This is just how math works, and has nothing to do with any economic system

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

"average cost" can vary in meaning on this topic. I read it as "fewer people are buying goods necessary for children, leading to raised prices and a higher average cost of raising children". Considering studies done on the cost of raising children, this is how I interpreted the quote. But your interpretation is also technically correct, and I won't fault you for reading something differently than I did.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

That's the incorrect way to read this. Rather, people are spending more on their children, and people without children are seeing average cost of raising children.

Effectively, the standard of living for children is going up and people who feel they cannot hit that standard of living are (in Japan's case especially) opting not to have them.

I assure you that poor people are still having children that survive.

[-] Bipta@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago

Capitalism is surely partly to blame but it's laughable to identify it as the sole cause.

[-] kttnpunk@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago

I'll never understand statements like these. Capitalism is the #1 reason there's a profit incentive for any given thing to be horrible.

[-] Ubermeisters@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I don't know where you people get this concept. Humans are the issue, not capitalism. There's literally no functioning system of trade without capitalism. It's just human nature. We are greedy and we want more than others so that we feel secure in our own future. It's not fucking rocket scientist, and it's not fucking capitalism.

Do you really Envision a world where everyone works equally and gets paid equally and nobody makes extra profit but somehow people are happy? That doesn't sound like any of the humans I've ever known, even the nice ones. You need to be a little bit more realistic and get your childish ass out of the playground.

We couldn't even get people to wear masks to not kill each other and you're over here holding your breath for agapelandia lmao

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

Did you read the article?

https://lemmy.world/comment/2996502

You can't make long ass statements like this witbout even reading the reasons cited in the article through government data.

The cost of living is a capitalist concept.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

the cost of living is a capitalist concept

No, it isn't. Lol

There are fundamental costs to human survival and those costs must be borne out somewhere. Hunter/gatherers also had a cost of living.

[-] DaveFuckinMorgan@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Animals foraging resources in nature is capitalism mannnnn

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

The things people choose to believe never cease to amaze me.

[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago

It’s just human nature. We are greedy and we want more than others so that we feel secure in our own future.

you're projecting your own terrible views here, not stating universal fact

and it’s not fucking capitalism.

fucking lol

https://theconversation.com/humans-arent-inherently-selfish-were-actually-hardwired-to-work-together-144145
https://socialistworker.co.uk/features/human-nature-and-social-change/

[-] kttnpunk@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There are innumerable functioning systems of trade without capitalism. My point is capitalism is intrinsically violent and wasteful. War is profit. But there ARE mutualist, communalist, and voluntary approaches to labor as well just to name a few. I also have to point out that the gold standard in the case of USD is effectively maintained by a obscenely expansive worldwide military presence which can't be a good thing long term and how about that ongoing pandemic we don't talk about? How long can we as species get away with ignoring the real, big, systemic problems? Capitalism is NOT fixing them, and won't. Regardless you're real mistaken, I don't envision some perfect world, dont accuse me of naivety- I'm a tired, jaded anarchist, not a communist. Anyways I am truly sorry you've only ever known assholes.. I'm not holding my breath for anything just speaking my mind, and maybe I change someone's, at least I tried

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

The gold standard lmao really?

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Workers owning a company would also have a profit incentive because the workers would like to make more money.

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Workers owning their own company would incentivize creating stable growth, since the workers aren't going to willfully destroy the company they all have a stake in.

Whereas now we have unstable growth because the C suites, executives and shareholders milk companies dry and then toss them. They have no concerns about whether the bottom rung guys are sustainable.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

You're going to need to define "stable" and "unstable" growth here.

[-] Eggyhead@artemis.camp 6 points 2 years ago

Frankly it’s laughable to assert there is a sole cause in the first place when there’s a myriad of different people here with a myriad of their own personal factors at play.

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