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Crime usually has root causes like poverty, inequality, poor education, etc.
If you look at Europe, the crime rate is much lower than in the US. Gun violence is near non-existent outside of gang-related crime.
Most of Europe would be deep, deep blue if transferred to the US political scale. They have heavy gun control and redistribution of wealth results in much less financial inequality. In turn, it causes much lower crime rates.
I don't think US crime rates have anything to do with culture. It has to do with rampant inequality and easy access to weapons. Combine that with mental health issues, and you got a real toxic cocktail.
Did you even make it to the end of that paper? It openly states that the discrepancies could be due to flawed data or that fact that widespread firearm ownership has resulted in criminals that will straight up execute you if things get out of hand.
Congratulations, you traded "having your phone stolen" for "having your child die screaming in agony on their classroom floor because a legal gun owner shot them in the spine".
Of course you are, you think it proves you right. You'd be fine with it being written in crayon.
The rest of us are justifiably more skeptical about a paper that doesn't say what you imply it says and mispells "firearms" in the very first paragraph.
Europe has a lot of petty theft issues. Always have had.
In this thread, we were specifically talking about gun violence, which is through the roof in the US and almost non-existent in Europe. It's also the most dangerous type of crime, which often turns otherwise non-violent, petty crimes deadly.
And for some reason, conservatives don't want to look at the tools being used for gun violence. The guns.
As a progressive, I'd prefer to look at the tools that enable the gun violence: The guns. It's just very clear that the US has an enormous problem with gun violence compared to other parts of the developed world. The thing that stands out is obviously easy access to weapons.
Fresh example: Jacksonville, where a rightwing nut went ballistic with an AR-15 in a racist rampage. Weapons bought legally, since he seemed like "one of the good guys with a gun."
Sorry, but I'm not willing to sacrifice school kids and my fellow Americans' lives to defend some "right" invented in a completely different time with very different types of weapons available.
I'm all for an amendment.
I just find it unreal that conservatives defend their guns over the lives of children. Especially after what we've seen in Uvalde and Sandy Hook and Columbine, etc. Zero change. Unreal.
So, not reaction to Uvalde, Columbine, Sandy Hook? Nothing? Seems on par.
You seem completely blind to anything outside the US.
Create happy populations and you don't need any of it. Europeans don't have guns and they don't have the violent police forces you see in the US. Yet, they are the happiest populations on earth year after year. Highly productive, highly educated.
Great equality. Create opportunity. Get rid of the desperation.
How do you want to prove it when we haven't tried it? It works in the rest of the developed world.
Why didn't you use your cool guns to save those children? You promised us that America would be safer if we sold you guns.
You didn't even offer to help clean them up after you failed them. You know someone has to right?
The Ulvade shooter was a legal gun owner. Do you think the people who had to pick up children's bones and brains were too?
Oh well taking a page out of your book, I don't care about you and your family either, so I'll just take your guns away for the safety of mine.
So what are your plans if you're wrong?
Are you going to surrender your guns because you didn't actually need them like you claimed?
Will you submit to more thorough training, background and health checks as part of obtaining a firearm license, like you could have done 5000 mass shootings ago?
Will you become an illegal gun owner, like all the criminals you imagined gunning down in your hero fantasies?
Or will you go full terrorist, firing on the law enforcrment and going out in a hail of bullets, sacrificing yourself for your country like all the gun owners promised they would, even though they wouldn't even wear a mask protect their countrymen?
Aww, what happened to Captain Facts-Over-Feelings? We know what the history and political views of the vast majority of domestic terrorists are -- far-right men who beat their partners.
Which makes it surprising there's not more John Snowlings. I guess when you're a cop, there's plenty of "body cam malfunctions" to work with.
The Capitol riots on Jan 6 don’t ring any bells?
Protesting isn’t rioting by the way. The majority (not all, but most) of the BLM protests were non-violent until police (acab) escalated the situations by attacking unprovoked.
So when the right riots and invades a government building it’s not a riot, but when protesters are attacked by police and turn violent it is?
There you go! Mask off at last! "We need the second amendment to kill leftists".
Do you want to share with the class which "riots" you're talking about specifically? Apparently, you've got 50 years worth.
Or should we just connect the very obvious dots ourselves? You're an ex-cop, still seething about the BLM protests that put Derek Chauvin in jail, just for openly murdering a minority on camera.
And in a not very shocking plot twist, you're a staunch supporter of gun laws that routinely arm far-right shooters who fire into crowds of black people with their legal weapons.
People rarely fuck your wife when you're at work. What number is acceptable for you then?
Since she's not my wife, I'm comfortable insisting that a few hundred is nothing to get upset about. It's only a tiny fraction of the overall population.
Firearms rarely kill children?
Hundreds of children have died after being shot at school since Sandy Hook alone. Hundreds. That was only 13 years ago.
In that same period, do you know how many children died after being shot at school in Europe? It's a number between 0 and 0.
Oh burn. He didn't even realise that Germany saw a 600th of the gun violence of America before talking shit like it was a largely solved probably with a solution that isn't even difficult.
You mean the one where nobody died, still leaving the european number at 0?
Oh hey that's what firearms rarely killing children looks like!
No comment on the rest of my point?
Getting easier every day. Do you think the kids are going to forget you sold them out to the gun lobby? Do you think they won't vote?
The pro-gun crowd has proven themselves completely incapable of addressing the danger to society their hobby creates. When they no longer have the power they need to stop progress, they're going to be shown exactly the level of compassion they showed victims of gun violence and traumatised children.
If they want to get all "cold dead hands" about it, they can go right ahead and die in a hail of bullets after firing on police. As far as I'm concerned, that's just the consequences finally meeting the cause.
Tell that to your slaves.