Happy birthday 🎊🎉 GNU/Linux.
Today GNU/Linux is 32 years old.
It was thankfully released to the public on August 25th, 1991 by Linus Torvalds when he was only 21 years old student.
What a lovely journey 🤍
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Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).
Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word "Linux" in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.
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“Torvalds sold out.” Would you mind elaborating what you mean by selling out in this context?
Have these members made any notable changes that hampered Linux's freedom? How is not adding more restrictions for freedom to allow more freedom "not for thee"? How did "Torvalds historically didn’t even want to liberate his kernel"? It was open-source from the start, and also had his self-drafted free license which he later switched to GPL which also removed his no commercial distribution clause. By your arguments that sounds like he sold out to GNU. The FSF is way too idealistic to be able to move the world under the current status quo.
macOS is based off FreeBSD, which is completely free. Not sure what you mean here. I don't really see much documentation that shows GNU made Linus use GPL or not. You can't assert that.
Being dedicated to software freedom doesn't exclude you from being idealistic. They propose solutions that would require good sacrifices that many greedy people simply won't follow. If you really think the status quo is "idealistic" then you don't know what that word means. Computer science is already very much in the public consciousness and corporations have already been exposed, but they still operate. It's idealistic to think they would sacrifice their greed. Despite how much software the FSF have funded, they're still unable to attack.
Linux is a practical response to non-freedom. "sell out", "liberated", "changed his license" is all just word choice. There is still a long gap between open-source and proprietary. Nobody should co-opt words, including that "open-source" shouldn't be redefined to libre software. You can argue that any promotional stuff, including FSF, is propaganda being blasted to you 24/7. Yes, these are very awful, but we need workable alternatives that can do many of the same stuff to switch to before we can rejoin freedom.
I was referring to your first paragraph which along with other things lists Android.
(I'll assume we agree on this one)
(This is also partly a response to the last part). You do get harmed if you don't use proprietary software simply due to the status quo. For example, many ignorant software use Discord or GitHub, both proprietary software, as their sole means of support. If you don't use them, you can't fix many problems. If you don't have that firmware blob, your computer simply can't run Linux. That is the forced place of proprietary, which makes some concessions necessary. Linux also isn't "flawed" simply because they include these.
Sure if you mean idealistic to the greedy. That wasn't very clear, hence my misunderstanding.
Yes, which is why many are still forced to use proprietary software in their careers. Despite their best efforts the GNU project still hasn't been able to cover every job needed, though they have succeeded with the parts they've already finished.
What I'm saying is "you got propaganda" is not the argument. Falsify the propaganda, not the propagandees.
I have no idea why you think I attributed GNU to Linux. I'm just saying that Linux is currently far more practical than the FSF's excessive purity (which Linux can also achieve).
Doesn't this depend a lot on the vendors having a lock-in on the GPU market? Semiconductor manufacturing is super expensive and there is little incentive for Nvidia to release a Free as in Libre device driver. There aren't any FOSS GPUs in development so FOSS drivers can't be made.
So we either have the choice of accepting proprietary drivers or just not using the functionality of GPUs.
If you're willing to accept that, then why are you so critical of Linus? The fact that you can build a fully free version of Linux seems like the best of both worlds. From your perspective: get market share now by allowing non-free components, and then eventually transition them out while maintaining compatibility with the majority of the ecosystem.
We do in fact not have much control over non-free software especially when they have a monopoly and exclusive features.
There is a(n) (unofficial) version of Linux that strips away all the non-free blobs. So we do have a completely free OS. Not to mention BSD.
Tell that to Windows.
I agree with the first part. By unofficial I meant not from the Linux maintainers.
Yes, but in the end, Windows still has all that market share.
How the heck does "viable competitor" mean "we're totally free". Why are you dehumanizing Torvalds just for supporting more drivers.
Linux is in development heaven. HURD is not so much.
@jsnc @JuxtaposedJaguar that seems a bit too “zealot” to me. And viable competitor is exactly the right phrase to use, or am I mistaken in thinking I use Linux instead of HURD?
Ok you sold me, I'll go back to windows. Fine job building a community.
I don't want to admit using Linux because I'm worried people might confise me with annoying self righteous ideologue twats like you. Same reason I don't identify as atheist anymore.
Idk what you think you're doing, but you're not helping your cause. That much is for sure.
Your "cause" is getting on your high horse and spewing rhetoric for countless paragraphs. Linux is nothing more than a vehicle for you to do that. If it didn't exist, you'd find something else to fartsniff about. Fuck off.
Of course I'm mad, you make the Linux community look like a bunch of douchebags
So, you're going to punish yourself because of what somebody said to you?
I don't feel punished by stepping away from people like him. If my choices are that guy and his ilk or the occasional ad for bing, I'll take bing. At least that goes away when you click a button.