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NRA been quiet right

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[-] Catoblepas 86 points 4 days ago

You can't write a memo that overrides the fourth amendment, actually (which is why this is news from January). You still aren't required to open the door from ICE unless they present you with a warrant signed by a judge, NOT an administrative warrant. Say you do not consent to them entering or searching. Specifically invoke your fifth amendment right to remain silent if they come in anyway. Don't say shit, record if you can.

[-] bunnybunny@lemmy.zip 46 points 4 days ago

Yeah because they’ve been following the law up to this point…

[-] Catoblepas 44 points 4 days ago

Anyone that tells you to not try to invoke your constitutional rights is a fed or doesn’t have your best interests in mind.

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 21 points 4 days ago

All they are saying is the law won't protect you in the end. You can't rely on it to save you.

[-] Septimaeus@infosec.pub 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

That is valid as an emotion. But it does not help your neighbor when ICE is at their door. And it does not aid the cause of the resistance.

“Call 911” is an example of useful advice. 2 reasons:

It creates a timestamped record of the home invasion that is difficult to bury or erase, can be aired by local news stations, and is fully admissible as evidence in any state or federal court (Davis v. Washington).
There are now increasing reports from across the country of local and state police arriving at the scene of ICE home invasions and abductions with body cameras on and either mediating or stopping an abduction in progress (by, for example, acting like they are pulling jurisdiction and arresting the victim to secure them in their squad car). So there is at least a chance the law could, in fact, protect you.

Again, valid as a feeling. Just irresponsible as advice. More importantly it is what ICE would prefer that people believe so they lose hope, give up, and do not resist.

Edit: spoiler tag

[-] Mirshe@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Moreover, ICE in some jurisdictions has been imitating police, even pulling people over and flashing badges to make them think it's a traffic stop. I can't imagine local PDs being too pleased with this happening, even if they're both arms of state violence.

[-] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago

Depends on the local pd. Many are signing up to work as ICEholes.

[-] Septimaeus@infosec.pub 1 points 4 days ago

Many but likely small as a percentage, since most departments and unions have strict rules re: dual employment, and most wouldn’t give up their benefits for a temp federal gig.

By contrast, the group that is by most accounts way over-represented among new ICE recruits are wannabe cops (rejected applicants, academy dropouts, and disgraced former cops) which if nothing else puts in perspective the nationwide trend of police impersonation by ICE agents described above.

[-] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

It’s not a dual role, it’s partnering with ICE at a state or county level. As of last August around 1600 local departments were doing that.

https://themarkup.org/tools/2025/04/16/law-enforcement-ice-cooperation-tracker

[-] Septimaeus@infosec.pub 1 points 3 days ago

Ah sorry I misunderstood your meaning before. Definitely a huge number of 287(g) agreements in Texas, and both Florida and Georgia went so far as to pass legislation forcing all county, municipal, and state agencies to sign the agreement. The rest appear to skew toward sheriff departments in select counties of purple and red states, which I guess is predictable.

Still, it is a small fraction of PDs in the US (~9%) even with those 3 big red states officially “all in,” since there are ~17,600 local and state law enforcement agencies in the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_in_the_United_States

[-] Malyca@lemmy.zip 11 points 4 days ago

People are learning this too slowly. The social contract is broken and there are no laws, that's the reality of the situation and that's how they will behave. 2nd amendment is all people will feel they have left and I don't blame them.

[-] prole 4 points 4 days ago

I think "try" is the operative word here.

[-] Rothe@piefed.social 12 points 4 days ago

They can because they are doing it and nobody is stopping them.

[-] Catoblepas 15 points 4 days ago

They ‘can’ the same way they ‘could’ before this memo: illegally. If they could walk into any house they wanted and kick the door down with impunity, zero legal repercussions, they wouldn’t be struggling so hard to fulfill quotas.

Spreading panic about what ICE can and can’t do legally helps nobody, but it’s a great way to boost the perceived power of the Trump administration. If you want to stop this from happening then get involved with immigrant justice organizations in your community.

[-] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Sounds like im royaly fucked either way. I guess if you do everything right, dont get murdered first, and fight back for years, you may get a payout in the end?

[-] Catoblepas 5 points 4 days ago

Or a judge intervenes in your case because your rights were violated. Regardless, this was the case before the memo as well.

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