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I buy beef like once a year, if that. Its too expensive, horrible for the environment, and honestly, after so much time without it, I dont ever crave it.
This is good news to me. Reduce the market. I made a roast veg dish last night for supper using lentils and einkorn (a grain). My husband refuses the fake meat products, but has no problem with lentils, beans, and the uncommon grains I use.
I have seen cases of climate experts saying instead pushing large scale veganism a more realistic idea is just eating A LOT less beef. Outside of a random cheese burger I dont eat much myself. Don't want to end up constipated like Hank anyway
yeah exactly.
I am not vegan. Not even close. I used homemade chicken stock to cook those lentils and grains last night. But incorperating more plant based foods into ones diet isnt a bad idea. The bean is so powerful.
Is that because of the cultural kneejerk reaction to veganism? Kind of how people agree with the concepts of socialism and communism until you use those words in front of them?
Probably. It's the whole: let people enjoy things. But their enjoyment is pretty fucking sick.
Not sure. Personally I don't subscribe to veganism because I believe what we considering suffering is usually based on the concept of beings born with a spine/central nervous system. If youre born a vertebrae only you are worthy of not experiencing "pain". To me it seems as arbitrary as not killing a being because its considered cute
I'm vegan because of what causing in others what I perceive to be suffering in turn does to me.
Maybe I'm not understanding your point about veganism or maybe your understanding of veganism is incorrect.
Also, it seems to me that all living beings, including insects, do not want to be harmed or die. Ever try squishing an ant and have it run every which way to avoid your thumb, or swat a fly that just won't be swatted? Egg-laying hens are tortured in the commercial egg factories. The dairy industry (probably as cruel as the egg industry, honestly) is why we have veal, which seems super cruel. I don't like being involved with it at all.
I'd like to be vegan, and I'm trying to work my way toward it.
I look at plants biological/chemical response to tissue damage as no different to our neurological response to it. Fundamentally all organisms avoid tissue damage to pass on their genetics to the next generation. Thats a fundamental aspect of all life. The only reason we look at plant/fungi pain differently is because we dont respond to tissue damage the same way as they do. Personally i dont see plants moving energy to areas of tissue damage or releasing chemicals as a distress response any different than vertebraes own responses to tissue damage through what we consider "pain". Its all based on a level of similarity we give certain organism to oursleves.
Here's my example. if a society that is a type 5 civilization on Kardashev's scale started to eat humans it would be along the same scale as us eating plants. Not eating beings with a gap so huge in intelligence isnt any different than not eating dogs because we find them cute. Its all arbitrary with no real logic. Limiting suffering based on intelligence or a nervous system is as arbitrary as limiting it based on cuteness or brain size. We just choose to give certain organisms more empathy because we consider them closer to ourselves but isnt that selfish? Youre only worthy if we consider you close to humanity
Edit: that being said id be more than happy to hear your thoughts on the flaws of my argument
It literally dawned on my dumb ass that you were talking about plants like a half hour later. It's one of the reasons why I think trees might be the highest form of existence before nirvana. They don't have to inflict harm or pain to survive (they live off the rain, sun and soil).
My only response to the difference between eating something like, say, lettuce is that I can cut it down to eat off it and it grows back, where I can't cut down a beef to the hooves and have a cow grow back. But yeah, I have to eat to survive, so vegan at least would free me of doing some of the harm I must cause in the world.
Are there any Buddhist monks out there that can weigh in with an official position on all of this to help a new practitioner (me) out?
But muscle grows back depending on how much energy it consumes. The only difference is we're fully aware that that happens. If we cut down a tree to its roots its no different to eating a cow to its hooves. Plants are aware because they also need to consume organic matter to live and evolve to do so. If you burry a human corpse under a tree they leech the nutrients that make up the human body to grow stronger and pass on its genes. Parasitic or symbiotic plants and fungi consume live organisms to survive. Is that not an indication of a willingness to survive and therefore a form of consciousness?
Could be, might be, yeah. 🤷
Because I cause harm/pain in one place doesn't mean I should cause harm in places where I can choose to avoid doing so.
Sounds like veganism isn't for you, homie. I still want good things for you anyway.
But you could end up in a gallery showing in Dallas!