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I was referring to your comment:
This is a good point:
But it's not consistent. I read the sermon on the mount, Jesus consistently refers to god with masculine language. So Jesus's god seems to be male, while other authors had other ideas.
This was one of my favorite parts:
Let's apply that logic to Jesus himself. By the fruits of Jesus (his failed predictions and the horrors that christianity has wrought in his name), we know he was a false prophet. By every available measure, prophets do not exist. Anyone can try to predict the future, especially if they're vague about it. Those who have chosen to "believe" in advance ignore the misses and exaggerate the hits.
Again, Jesus was not a Christian, he was a Jew, a monotheist. He was killed by Rome then his image was co-opted by the empire and his creed disregarded to give more protagonism to amoral Paulian doctrine, which has supplanted the monotheistic core of Jesus' beliefs to this day. What he said makes entire sense today, just think how easy it would be for Trump loving morons that fall for his sweet lies designed for stupid and evil people to realize his idol is a monster! Just like faith without works is dead, through your acts I'll know who you are, and it all follows.
And you have a mistaken understanding of the word prophet, which is restricted to the uhh Lisan-al-Gaib, future teller character. Anyone who has had some communication or given extra capacities from the Divine, directly or indirectly, is considered a prophet. Abraham came with "news" of God, breaking with his polytheist culturally enforced beliefs, not prophecy; Moses came with God's rules, not prophecy; Solomon came with God given wisdom and put it into words for the world to better guided, not prophecy...
What I'm getting at is that Jesus was also problematic, though not as bad as Trump. Jesus confused and misled a lot of people, his bullshit continues to harm us to this day.
Is god not divine? The bible calls them prophets:
The Divine, the One, the Creator, God, they're all terms for the same entity.
And idk, you'll have to tell me what part of Jesus' message or life just wandering around and apparently healing the sick and feeding the needy when he was not preaching about righteousness and love, you think is problematic. Again, the USA of the time killed a revolutionary, God fearing Palestinian man and then used his image to Frankenstein a religion that looked good from afar (because Jesus always looked good) but is nothing but an excuse for immorality and union against a banner for immoral people to go around the world murdering and pillaging (from the Crusades to the Western incursions in West Asia today, as exemplified recently byPete Hegseth). It's not Jesus' fault some evil hellbound cunts killed him and used his image to profit from it. 😔🤷♂️
According to you. But that's in your head, you can't demonstrate that it exists at all.
He did some of that. He was also wasteful, racist, and delusional.
"Listen to me, salvation is only through me, bad things will happen if you do not submit to my dad." That is not love, that is a threat. Ain't no hate like christian "love".
Kind of. But he let himself get crucified because he thought he was a magic man. He was not a great person. His best teachings originated elsewhere. I'm not pretending he never did anything good (if we generously assume that any of the bible comes close to accurately depicting his life), but too many people give him too much credit.
That's not "according to me" nor a matter of belief, it's factual: monotheists in different times and places have called God by different names. It's what it is, people have different languages and roots and all, after all.
I don't think you understand what you're talking about. The "passing through him" means changing your mind through his words (or equivalent, but he's the one alive talking then) so you can better please the Father. It's nothing new ("I didn't come to deny the law and the prophets but to put it into action" or something like that), but he was a revivalist in a time of struggle, loss of guidance and Romanisation. And of course other people also inspired and transformed Jesus, he mentions Solomon himself after all, we all mould and are moulded by our circumstances.
My objection is that god is not real, nothing is divine. But if we're talking common beliefs, yes, many people have claimed that god exists and is divine, but those words mean different things to each person. There is no standard, no measurement, no way to verify.
I was raised in it. I think you are ignoring the abusive foundations of Jesus's message.
Or else that "loving" father will make/allow us to suffer, we'll be denied the kingdom of heaven, etc.
Right, so should we take virgin girls for ourselves after we've killed their families in war?
He also had many glaring flaws. His guidance was sometimes helpful, sometimes very harmful. He was a hypocrite. I think too many people, even non-christians, idolize a guy who was kind of nuts.
True. I have been moulded by Jesus, or at least those who wrote about him, whether I like it or not.
It is also partly why I engage in conversations like this. I want to help others make better choices and I want to make better choices myself. Even if we don't agree, it has been helpful to me to hear about your beliefs, and I get to work on how I write comments like this. I want to practice patience. It can be difficult for me to resist the angry impulses my parents violently programmed into me. I realize I'm repeating myself a bit.
I just don't want it to happen to anyone else. But it is, every day. I want to do everything I can to stop it. I think education, challenging assumptions, has the potential to save lives. It pains me to think of the world we are making for future generations. Humanity needs to change before it destroys itself.