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I've dabbled with multiple instruments in my life

off topic celebration of playing by earbut I've been acoustically crippled with a bad ear. About 2 years ago, I started working on playing by ear and, holy shit, it totally changed the game! Before, I had to laboriously read music and look up fingerings. Now, I know what it's supposed to sound like and I keep pushing buttons (clarinet) until I get it right because I know what it's supposed to sound like, and now I know if I want to flat that position it's this button, and to sharp that note, it's this button, etc. Quite painless and not laborious--even fun!

It seems crazy to me someone would learn all the fundamentals of music and not at least be able to play rudimentarily another instrument. I mean, why not? You already understand music, you just have to figure out the instrument, which is a pretty small investment relative to musicianship, and opens up a lot more possibilities.

What have you learned from your different instruments?

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[-] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

For me:

Voice: First stop for learning any melody. Not bad for learning harmony, either, theoretically--I still suck at singing and recognizing harmony notes.

Guitar: Rhythm and a bit of intuitive harmony. Most importantly it's given me something to accompany and support my singing.

Clarinet: Really makes you think about what notes you're playing because the layout is not intuitive at all! Also forces you to think about phrasing because you have to breath. Also gives you a lot of options with the envelope I don't have on guitar without a pedal.

Piano: King of theory! Very easy to read and construct chords. Guitar: "flat 5? what is the fifth of this chord again? where is it? ok, so it's this, and i move it down a fret, but now I have to move my pinky here, but shit, then I have to grab that with, what, my index finger? no, I need that there...." Piano: "boop! flat 5!"

Wish list: drums, accordion, lap slide guitar, saw, fiddle.

Off the list: most other single-note instruments; might mess about with more reed instruments like sax or some folk reeds, but I feel like I'd be investing a lot to duplicate what I can do on clarinet (expressive single note playing on wind instruments).

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[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 hours ago

I think you have piano and guitar partially reversed. Isomorphic keyboards and guitar fretboards both have the property that you only have to learn a chord or scale once, whereas for piano you have to learn it twelve times.

[-] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

On guitar you have to learn each key SEVEN times, though, through all the different positions.

But my point is this: it SEEMS like a lot of work, but it really isn't if you understand music! If you can sing Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti Do and know that every step up is a whole step except between Mi & Fa, and Ti & Do, it's trivially easy to build the scale on the fly, and if you screw it up, your ear will guide you back on course. And I do use note names as a guide posts.

On any instrument, you can play completely by ear (eventually), but a little knowledge goes a long way.

On guitar, you can play a whole major scale octave with the pattern 0-2-4-5-7-9-11-12--which you can figure out yourself either by ear or by applying the major scale formula. That immediately gives you access to an octave in A, D, G, B, and two octaves in E (open strings). Then you can start playing around with a low E drone and a high E melody, and the fifth, B, is happily always one string below you. Then maybe you notice the A, the fourth, is the next string below the low E and you can hit that every once in a while, maybe while playing the notes of the A major triad, A C# E; you don't need to memorize them because you know the fourth starts on the fourth note of the scale, which is the 5 fret, and then you skip every other note to get the triad--5-9-12. And for a little flavor, you can throw in a major seventh, which you know is one fret below the root, 4. And you would also know that the octave starts at again as 12 so you can also use the 16 fret (12+4).

If you keep yours wits about you, maybe while you're noodling, you try to keep note name in mind, so pretty soon you know where E B and G# are on the high E string, and merrily you go along, experimenting, and playing, and learning, and having a good time.

Contrast that with the traditional learning method of: ¨THIS musical note corresponds to THIS string at THIS fret position. Keep drilling until it sinks into that thick skull of yours. I will be judging you on your performance of this scale next week.

No wonder people think learning a new instrument is an incredible chore!

Edit: My FAVORITE isomorphic keyboard are the button accordions: French and Bayan (they go in opposite directions). Basic version is a a stack of three buttons, each one a semi-tone higher than the last. So you really only have to memorize three scales, for starting on each of the three different buttons. Fancier version add duplicate rows for ease of fingering.

That said, it's much less of a hurdle if you have a good ear and can immediately correct yourself and say, "ooops, that ain't right."

[-] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago
[-] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago

Yeah, musical saw.

Don´t have the sound plugged in, but this looks right:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njO_AH10bB0

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