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Zohran Mamdani rebukes Trumpism with pro-immigrant speech for US’s 250th birthday
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“My fellow Americans” Mamdani knows the context of this phrase. Not my fellow New Yorkers.
I see comments from people all over the world who say Mamdani is their mayor, too ❤️🔥 Certainly hope more Americans outside of NYC can feel the same.
He's turning into an amazing Mayor... Here's hoping he can carry it off. The part the conservatives are most afraid of is that his plans will work...because they will (are already to an extent) work and serve as a template for other cities and states if they do.
They talk about "mini mamdanis" like it's a bad thing lol
I want a maxi-mamdani.. Like 3 or 4 of them in one candidate. ;-)
MASTODON
I will vote as far left int he primaries as I can..
But in the general, I will vote as far left as I can. Don't care who it is.
He will also make a amazing governor
I think so too...but that's a much harder fight... NY state isn't as left leaning as NYC....
True but the entire state's politics are based off of the millions of voters in the city.
I don't think it's that disparate...they've had republican governors in the recent past...the state is closer to 50\50
It’s still possible, he can still become governor
He can...but he'd have to get western new York onboard...and western new York is much more conservative...
Yeah, but it’s not impossible
Nope. Not impossible. Just improbable.
He held it in front of recently naturalized immigrants. One line I'll paraphrase I found interesting when he referred to them: they didn't see themselves not just as New Yorkers, but American too, just like he did some 10 years ago.
This tells immigrants in New York that they may not be American (yet), but they are New Yorkers. Very beautiful notion.
Definitely setting himself up for a future presidential (or at least Congressional) run.
And given his track record so far, I'd be happy to see that. Too bad the DNC will stop at nothing to prevent it from happening.
Sadly, he can't be president under the current constitution. But he would be far superior to any current and upcoming candidates.
Well, and the constitution. Mamdani can't be president and he's well aware of that and fine with it I think
Well Trump can't be president either. Yet here we are.
Is he not a natural born citizen? Ah, too bad. I wasn't aware of that.
I don’t agree with that interpretation, and many scholars would argue it needs to be deliberated by scotus (but not this one) to settle things once and for all.
The 14th amendment is quite clear, naturalized citizens are US citizens. And article 2 says US citizens can be president.
Yes, well, I wouldn't expect an ML user to be able to read, so that tracks
Ooohh, sick burn. For an ignoramus.
Try reading it for yourself
There's been some debate on what constitutes natural-born, mostly related to parental citizenship and territories in particular; but the language (and consensus over the last few two centures) is quite clear...
And being a citizen is not enough.
Ok but why is that the consensus interpretation? Do you think there might be some racial bias there which should be reexamined by the courts? I do.
I’m glad you agree with my interpretation of the 14th, because that is actually the part that is considered more up for debate.
I still don’t think you’ve read the relevant portion of article 2, so let me provide it for you here:
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Can you explain to me why this “isn’t enough”?
Mamdani has not been a citizen when the constitution was adopted.
~~This is why it needs further consideration imo. To me, that comma means that these are the criteria for presidency once the constitution is adopted.~~
~~If it means citizen at the time of adoption, would they not have omitted the comma to make it more clear?~~
You know what, I stand corrected and learned more about this today. There was a case Hassan v. State of New Hampshire (2012) which already examined this and established natural born isn’t repealed by the 14th, plus some debates by Congress around the time the 14th passed that firms up that interpretation. I still think that comma is sus though.
The SC has been diverging from precedent and ignoring the prevailing interpretation of the constitution for a while. It's just a political branch now, thanks to the republicans. Once the democrats take back control, they can do the same.
Well, unfortunately, the text of the 14th Amendment and the text of Article 2 are a bit different. Here's Article 2's pertinent part:
You have to be a 'natural born' citizen, not naturalized. And 'natural born' is pretty much universally taken to mean being a US citizen when born.
I’m done he knows when he says that, he means it
However, refreshing to vote for a politician, who doesn’t have to lie