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While getting quotes for a site recently the question of filesystem came up a lot and I admittedly didn't know much on the subject.

Doing some research the popular choices appear to be either PHP frameworks or less often ASP.NET frameworks.

Among popular PHP frameworks I see Laravel come up a lot, open source is certainly more reliable than something maintained by Google, Facebook, or Amazon but currently the Laravel maintainers are pushing AI really really hard.

So is the only real solution to learn to program with PHP without using any frameworks or libraries? Can anybody who has implemented a secure fileserver for a website tell me how difficult or easy it would be to learn?

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[-] doeknius_gloek@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 2 days ago

Don't be a dick to people that are actually trying to help you, when you admittedly don't know what you're talking about.

[-] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

That's kind of their whole thing

[-] FiniteBanjo@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago

While getting quotes for a site recently the question of filesystem came up a lot and I admittedly didn’t know much on the subject.

Doing some research the popular choices appear to be either PHP frameworks or less often ASP.NET frameworks.

Anybody who doesn't understand what is being discussed after reading that should not be trying to answer, I don't really have a lot of time to educate every single passerby on the most basic of terminology.

[-] Kissaki@programming.dev 12 points 2 days ago

The quoted text makes no sense. It has gaps. And the comment you dismissed seemingly pointed that out.

Websites don't have a file system. They serve content as responses.

PHP is not a filesystem. ASPNET is not a filesystem.

You could be talking about managing files, you could be talking about sourcing web responses from local files, or you could be talking about something else.

[-] FiniteBanjo@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

FileSystem Framework

FileSystem Framework

FileSystem Framework

Examples: Laravel, ASP.NET, and NodeJS FS

Did that clear up your confusion?

Here is a link to the documentation for NodeJS FS: https://nodejs.org/api/fs.html

Here is a link to Laravel's FileSystem documentation with quote: https://www.laravel.wiki/en/filesystem

Laravel provides a powerful filesystem abstraction thanks to the wonderful Flysystem PHP package by Frank de Jonge.

It's fine to be legitimately curious but if you think the question is wrong then you're arguing with reality.

[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Those aren't fileystem frameworks but filesystem interfaces used by frameworks. Counter example of what i mean: https://filesystem-spec.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

[-] FiniteBanjo@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago

I'm certainly not going to use their interfaces on a different framework, so I'm looking for frameworks, Jack.

[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 2 points 2 days ago

Nodejs is not a framework though. So you very well could use the exact thing you linked to with many different frameworks

I don't really have a lot of time to educate every single passerby on the most basic of terminology.

A simple search could do you a world of good, pal. I'd start at the Dunning-Kruger-Effect and go on from there.

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