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Would you sell liquor to this baby?
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No. But life beginning at conception is the only logical line to draw. Every other is arbitrary. And having arbitrary set lines for who is human and who isn't is not something we should want. But banning abortion also doesn't work and is cruel. Life is complicated.
No it's not, conception is just as arbitrary. Just because it's the logic you adopted doesn't mean it's the only logical choice.
At the point of conception all you are is a small group of cells that are forming something. There is no brain, there is no heart, there is no anything that would be described as human other than the DNA. At some point during the endless splitting of those cells a heart is created to push blood around the body that has developed, a body I might add looks entirely the same no matter what species you're looking at at this stage. And then, sometime long after that, a brain emerges but it's nothing like what we have when we're born. The human brain of a baby takes a long time to form. The question of "At what point does Life Begin?", is not "At what point is something alive?", it's "At what point can it be considered human and not just a small group of cells working toward being a human one day?"
Anti-abortion groups are not pro-life as they like to claim. For one, more than a few of them are pro death penalty. And for two, they don't actually care about children who are born because more than half of them actively work towards taking assistance away from single mothers and children and adoption services and Foster Care programs. Even if all they do is vote for the wrong party, they are guilty of this.
Cue running to an anti-abortion with a ball of human hair and screaming, "BEHOLD, A MAN!"
I really liked your first paragraph. I can't argue with you regarding the second because I'm not USAian and thus live in completley different socio-political landscape.
This is intelectually stimulating position. But this same line of thought can be traced further into extremes such as eugenics and scientific racism. Because of these historical aberrations that stem from this same principle, I reject this position and thus adopt position that life begins at conception. And trying to discriminate who/what is human is dangerous and should not be done.
Instead of trying to define a point where something is a human based on how much it has developed, because of the associated risks and historical failings, your standpoint is that life begins at conception.
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By that logic, cancer treatments should be illegal.
I do not find much logic in your reply. But fear not, to me you are still human! Have a great day!
Cancer is made of a living human cells growing to its own means. Killing it is killing a human by your logic.
People who eat meat and eggs already make this distinction. You want to get rough and stupid? Then let's get rough and stupid.
I’m not particularly interested in debate. However, I am down for getting rough and stupid with the right person.
The question of "when does life begin?" is deceptive. Life does not begin at conception with each life. Life began some 3.5 billion years ago and has never stopped. Each life continues unbroken from other lives. If the complaint is that any point we choose is arbitrary, well this is what nature gave us. The only logical point to begin from is when the new life separates from the old.
And frankly, nature eats way more babies than adults.
What if the question of life or non-life is irrelevant?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Singer#Abortion_and_euthanasia