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submitted 2 weeks ago by Tolc@lemmy.world to c/communism@lemmy.ml

I have noticed that largely most anarchists online are from the first world and that anarchism is very popular than communism in western countries, i.e. its become overtly a first world white people ideology.

While marxism leninism is popular in the third world, with large marxist leninist parties and non existing anarchist forces. What do you think about this?

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[-] Athena5898@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

I think I know what is going on. I've been thinking of posting about this.

I consider myself a anarchist, but mostly in the sense of a philosophy then a mode of government per sey. (Mostly like most things in my life I have a hard time finding a label I like that I feel like fits me, so I just gravitate to something that feels right and will just further explain if I need to)

I see a lot of MLs on here who consider anarchists here spoiled petite bousgouie (no way I'm spelling it right on the new phone. Please excuse my dyslexic ass)

However something I've noticed is a lack of mental heal and psychological analysis when dealing with material conditions.

Most anarchists I know who are more traditional are usually one or more of the following.

Autistic Disabled Queer Racial minority

These people have spent their entire lives at the boot. Being told what to do and to break themselves to be of use of the empire.

Suck it up. Do what's better for the greater good (capitalism). Don't ask questions. Do what your better tells you to do. You are faking it. Your pain doesn't matter.

Now I will say that a lot of the gut reaction to MLs and the theory is reactionary. But its not because they are simping for the ruling class. There is some level of selfishness but not because they don't want to work. Most that I know would love to work and actually work themselves to hard because of a misplaced idea that to be loved they must be useful.

They are scared to change one boot for another and therefore get stuck in a traumatic cycle of not doing anything. Because of the fear, the idea of not only things staying the same or even getting worse, but also becoming the boot themselves.

There is also a very real and understandable fear of betrayal and everyone who is not of the groups mentioned will get out and shut the door behind them. Something that happens to us a lot.

This is inherently reactionary. But its not coming from the same place as the ruling class. Because these people have nothing else to loose really. Or they have very little to loose.

The truth that is very hard to swollow is that you have to have a manner of trust. A trust that people won't turn around as soon as its convient to them.

Its why its so important to the west to have this Red Scare against China. If you know that it works. It's a lot harder to argue against. Because I will say, on it's surface there are elements of ML theory that sounds way to good to be true. People are going to weild power in a way that isn't going to fuck the most vulnerable? Yeah right. Get real.

I've have both been and seen many self proclaimed anarchists who are this way. Dealing with internalized issues that you don't even realize you have.

The problem comes when confronted with actual data that they stay their ground. This is when one changes from having reactionary issues to being a reactionary.

This is me not making excuses per say, but trying to give a explanation as someone who has had to confront this themselves literally weeks ago.

[-] TiredTiger@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

Existing as a marginalized person under capitalism is it's own kind of trauma, and I do think that MLs need to be able to meet people where they are. While we need to study political theory, we should take care not to neglect personal development. Self-knowledge is critical in understanding how and when to set one's ego aside, and we're likely to butt heads rather than change minds if we haven't done the work on ourselves.

We still won't be able to reach everyone, but we should take care not to push people away unnecessarily. Even if someone is not receptive now, we may leave them with something that they can consider in the future. Most of us weren't born MLs, after all, and can probably remember people who planted ideas in us which we did not come to accept until later.

[-] Robyn 1 points 1 week ago

Nicely said. I fall into the anarchist camp for that very reason, because the ML cultural vanguard routinely results in people like me getting shafted. The beautiful and intoxicating world MLs describe shatters rather violently when everyone in your particular community gets treated as some foreign actor simply for not adhering to a traditional social hierarchy. It’s hard for people like me to not see the direction ML takes communism as a complete betrayal and abandonment of the principles behind deconstructing unjust hierarchies.

A lot of people in post Warsaw Pact countries like my parents are so traumatized by this shit, that you can’t even mention the word communism around them without them throwing a tantrum. And while they are objectively wrong for doing so, the damage done to them is real and should not be ignored. And sadly, most MLs I have met so far willfully distance them selves from this or label me a foreign actor and start accusing me of reading news I’ve never heard of, or start telling me that china is not tyrannical, as if I said anything of that kind. I’m yet to have a conversation with a proud ML that doesn’t immediately become them accusing me of things I didn’t say or start recommending me books on irrelevant topics I already agree on.

[-] Tolc@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Keep chasing the unachievable. Keep engaging in utopianism and moralism. Keep denouncing the genuine attempts to communism and maybe you will achieve communism.

[-] Robyn 1 points 4 days ago

You’re literally proving my point. Dismiss what I said and then claim I’m “denouncing the genuine attempts”, a thing I literally didn’t do and also something I would full heartedly support you on, I literally said I’m all on board except for this one thing. All I pointed out was that a minority gets shafted and prosecuted as a threat for no reason, but apparently that is too much to acknowledge, so instead you deflect or ignore and then strawman me.

My reply here is largely meaningless as I’m just repeating my self over and over, so it’s more of a desperate plea for reason…

Like really? “unachievable”? All I ask for is that people like me are not treated as threats to be subdued simply for not submitting to traditional social hierarchy. If that is unachievable, then your version of communism is a betrayal! Most of us are too vulnerable to ever be a threat to the outside, prosecuting us is literally a waste of resources! The only reason I can’t join your cause is because you keep pushing me out. This is so dumb… Why is any attempt at discourse with MLs always like this?

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