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Ever since his first public appearances he was a moron. As an atheist, his way to argue was always absolute cringe.
All atheists are rather cringe. Who guess around self-proclaiming a label that literally means nothin? Are you aunicornist? Aleprechaun? Afairy? How silly.
If you're truly just agnostic... That's a fair and humble admittance of ignorance.
If you think the Bible is bullshit and the Quran is a lie, go with that. At least now you're saying something meaningful relating to your actual beliefs.
An atheist doesn't simply disbelieve in the gods, they believe other people should also disbelieve in the gods. It's a political stance as much as a belief. If someone doesn't really care about religion, they're not really an atheist imo - it requires that extra step.
Oh, wow, Evangelical atheism. Perhaps the worst form of atheism. Kind of like prescriptive nihilism.
There’s a convenient word for that…
No... The typical nonstance atheist saying, "I just don't believe that," is not the same as saying, "I think that is bullshit." Those are two very different statements. Just as the propositions: I do not believe in any gods is different from saying I do believe there are zero gods or I do believe the existence of any/all god(s) is impossible.
What do you mean by "self-proclaiming"? I am an atheist because I don't believe in a god(s). That's it.
By definition that is what atheists believe - so I am not sure what your problem is here.
What a load of bollocks. I hope for your sake that some day you'll learn some critical thinking.
All right bro keep arguing against other people's imaginary Friends with all that critical thinking you got.
One day old account named after a Simpsons clown on an instance somewhat known for having troll accounts arguing atheism doesn’t exist and (elsewhere in this thread) implying that all Jews in the media are mossad agents.
I’m gonna go with “don’t feed the trolls” on this one, guys.
Wooosh. You one of those people that doesn't get a joke even when you're told it's a joke, huh.
I didn't say atheist don't exist. I said it doesn't mean anything. Most atheist have no stance(they're not militant). They just don't believe in something (which most of them don't even know what it is they claim not to believe in) that's it. Wookie-fucking-raaawwrrghh-do. Chewbacca makes more sense than atheism.
Do you know what an argument from ignorance is? Atheism.
And no I don't think John Liebowitz is mossad. Jfc. Go touch grass.
What do you mean "no stance"? I agree that most atheists aren't especially interested in having religious or philosophical arguments, but they still hold a position.
How do you work that out?
In a world where "no opinion" is a stance, every thought must be labeled as a stance, even no thought at all.
Just let it go
Did you mean to reply to the other user?
No opinion is perfect. I can respect that.
What I don't respect is the self-proclaimed big-brain atheist. The best(worst of the worst) example is your avg YouTube atheist or your avg tiktok atheist. They do these call-in shows and believers call in and the believers tell the atheist(s, often plural so they can gang up on the believer) why God matters to them, why their religion matters to them, and then all these big-brain atheists do is shit all over people for caring about and believing in something bigger than themselves while finding fellowship with like-minded observants.
That's extremely cringe to me. And it seems to me that your average atheist on Lemmy/piefed or Reddit or whatever is probably a fan of those cringey shows, if not one of the hosts.
Nonstance atheism is also called weak atheism, and the amount of weak atheists that still want to argue about it amazes me.
I concur with you, "non-belief" is a position! Otherwise, what the hell are they arguing about? Ignorance itself?
The critique is that absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence. So if disbelief is justified only by “I haven’t seen proof,” then it risks becoming an argument from ignorance.
Have you considered you can be a weak atheist but otherwise have strong interest in debating religion, philosophy and ethics and maintaining strong convictions about it?
There are many things around the subjects of philosophy, religious discussion and ethics to engage with beyond specifically "the existence of god". Some people might just find it fun for its own sake.
Would you expect someone who has seen no empirical evidence or convincing argument to believe in a god, out of interest?
My objection is narrower: calling atheism a “nonstance” can obscure the fact that, in practice, people often do move from “not convinced” to “probably false,” and those are logically different positions.
Also, I’m not denying people can engage in philosophy, ethics, or theology without making a truth-claim about God’s existence. That’s fine and unrelated.
I think specific concepts of god are "probably false". But not 'god' as a wider concept.
I mean if they do, they can still engage in it.
That’s a much cleaner way to put it. The graded-credence approach avoids a lot of the black and white thinking that usually derails these discussions.
I appreciate the distinction between rejecting specific god-claims while leaving room for the broader category(and neatly avoids categorical error). That’s a more careful epistemic position than the slogans people usually trade back and forth.
Welcome to my blocklist.
I intentionally don’t block trolls so I can keep berating them in public
It’s your blood pressure lol
Fuck off