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[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Nope grew up and still live in a tourist town. The opportunity and cultural exchange of a big city in a small town is awesome - that's how the world should be. If everyone was more accepting and mobile we'd have less hate, cruelty and misery in the world. Connection is the key not isolation.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

If everyone was more accepting and mobile we’d have less hate, cruelty and misery in the world.

Don't like it? Just be rich! Just be able to afford travel, then all the people who abuse you at work don't exist!

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Nah travel is not that expensive and economic activity and connection makes everyone richer, literally. Don't be a whiny loser and live a bit.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Nah travel is not that expensive

Not everyone is fortunate enough to be able to afford the luxuries you take for granted.

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

It's a myth that travel is expensive but if thats the case the ethics of tourism is the least of your worries.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Talk to some of the people who are paid to put up with you sometime. Ask them when the last time they had a vacation was. Ask them if they can afford to see a doctor. Ask them if they have insurance, a car, stable housing. And then tell them how great it is that travel is cheap and watch their eyes.

Yeah, the cost of travel is the least of my worries, because I actually have worries. And I don't need some privileged asshole telling me that.

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Talk to some of the people who are paid to put up with you sometime. Ask them when the last time they had a vacation was

Bali, like a month ago.

Ask them if they can afford to see a doctor

She's vietnamese, healthcare is so cheap there, and I think she qualifies for some level of national insurance.

Ask them if they have insurance, a car,

She has a CB1000 with a bluecard, somehow. Which is insane in vietnam for so many reasons.

stable housing

Yes.

This is atypical, for every person like hers in Hanoi, there's a situation like Sa Pa where 100K wealthier people moved in from other parts of vietnam, bought up the tourist land, and pretend to be local, while a good portion of the locals found making their kids beg is more profitable than anything else, and due to autonomy the government only seems to have power to stop this during school hours/nights.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

This is atypical

So it proves nothing. But you'll still use it to justify an industry based on exploitation.

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 points 2 days ago

The industry itself isn't exploitative, but it causes a minority of locals to accumulate capital, which may be used to capture even more of the tourism income, creating the situation you describe where they might choose to kick grandma out of her home for profit.

But this isn't universal. Plenty of places have strong communities that resist the natural tendency of capitalism at this scale.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

The industry itself isn’t exploitative

First of all, ALL industry is exploitative. Second, tell me you've never worked in a hotel without saying you've never worked in a hotel.

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

Industry isn't inherently exploitative wtf, it's just capitalism that makes it so.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Then until we get a non-exploitative economic system, you can stop pretending that the tourism industry isn't exploitative.

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

When I'm riding my bike across vietnam or taking trains across China and sleeping in hostels/hotels, some of which the owner's family literally lives in or down the street from, who is being exploited? Not every place handles tourism the same.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

When I’m riding my bike across vietnam or taking trains across China and sleeping in hostels/hotels, some of which the owner’s family literally lives in or down the street from, who is being exploited?

When someone works full time at a hotel in the United States and cannot afford to live, you are FUCKING DELIGHTED that they're being exploited. Stop using your gap year to justify exploitation, tourist.

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

When someone works full time at a hotel in the United States and cannot afford to live,

Bro I worked full time in the US and couldn't afford to live, that's why I left. What you're describing is specific to certain locations, not tourism as a concept.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

And yet you cannot understand why some people who are exploited within a system that encourages entitled behavior might not like tourists very much.

Glad you had a good experience, tourist.

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

And yet you cannot understand why some people who are exploited within a system that encourages entitled behavior might not like tourists very much.

I can understand why you might not like tourists in your town, where their money goes to the people who are exploiting you, furthering their ability to do so, but that's because your town is ruled by bourgeoisie tyrants. I also understand why that's dumb, because the problem isn't the tourists or tourism. It's specific to your local area's inability to control your bourgeoisie.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I understand that you think I deserve to be exploited.

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

Nothing I've said suggests I think exploitation due to capitalism is just. I feel like you're not even listening to me.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I feel like you're so enamored with tourism that you don't care who it hurts and are willing to blame exploitation on the exploited if that's what it takes to avoid introspection.

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

I have pointed out, in nearly every post on the subject, that the blame lies with the landlords and bourgeois.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I have pointed out, in nearly every post on the subject, that the blame lies with the landlords and bourgeois.

And the inability of the powerless to control them.

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

This depends on the specific location. Nobody is being exploited if I stay in some hostel or an hotel in a place with so much housing availability rent is <300USD.

[-] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

It’s a myth that travel is expensive

[Citation fucking needed]

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Traveled with nothing but a laptop and 500 usd per month around the world (while working too) but sure stay at home blame someone else for your failures.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

500 usd per month

What this guy considers cheap.

[-] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Holy shit dude, even assuming that's a true story you seriously don't recognize how much money $500/month is or how privileged you were to be able to work remote while traveling??

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Yet majority of people buy a new truck rather than a plane ticket. Just look up real statistics where majority of people don't leave their town yet alone travel abroad and instead buy a new truck.

Traveling has never been as accessible as it is today, period.

[-] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

A: I would like to know what kind of truck costs the same as a plane ticket...

B: Sure it may be more accessible, but accessible does not mean cheap

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

A: so they can buy 100 plane tickets yet stay at home using their new truck to drive to fast food drive through instead.

B: it's the cheapest it has ever been. Not sure what else you want here? Somebody to pay you and hand hold you everywhere? Like get a grip on life at least a little bit, take the fruits the universe gives you instead of whining.

[-] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

... Fucking hell this is entitled. Are you serious with this? You cannot be this out of touch. "Why do people buy LUXURY CARS instead of TRAVELING they just need to get a GRIP" do you really not see an issue with that reasoning?

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

People absolutely spend money on luxuries that aren't traveling. Traveling is less popular per usd spent than other luxuries since covid still as people are just more content with local entertainment. Most people don't even leave their town let alone their country. Look up the stats, I dare you. Bye.

[-] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

So you DO agree that travel is a luxury. Glad we could establish that finally.

[-] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Having jobs that require us to appear in-person makes us failures?

I work with children, it’s not like I can bring them with me to travel. It’s not a typical school either, it’s for autistic preschoolers and incorporates several types of therapy along with school-readiness for the older kids. Because of the medical aspects, we don’t have summer/spring/winter breaks, which could make the therapy less effective.

ā€œBut sure,ā€ stay up on your high horse. Look at you, so much better than those of us who need to be in particular places in order to do our jobs. We’re all such losers for contributing to society in a different way. Weird, I thought travel was supposed to open people’s minds to different ways of living?

[-] commander@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Damn the lack of self awareness. All that traveling to learn so little. Pretty much a wannabe billionaire. Just about there in personality. Not there in income. Supposed growth induced from travel but just sounding like a colonist with the lack of empathy and understanding of other people. You don't sound any more than a taker

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