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Removal of piracy communities (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by lwadmin@lemmy.world to c/lemmyworld@lemmy.world

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Earlier, after review, we blocked and removed several communities that were providing assistance to access copyrighted/pirated material, which is currently not allowed per Rule #1 of our Code of Conduct. The communities that were removed due to this decision were:

We took this action to protect lemmy.world, lemmy.world's users, and lemmy.world staff as the material posted in those communities could be problematic for us, because of potential legal issues around copyrighted material and services that provide access to or assistance in obtaining it.

This decision is about liability and does not mean we are otherwise hostile to any of these communities or their users. As the Lemmyverse grows and instances get big, precautions may happen. We will keep monitoring the situation closely, and if in the future we deem it safe, we would gladly reallow these communities.

The discussions that have happened in various threads on Lemmy make it very clear that removing the communites before we announced our intent to remove them is not the level of transparency the community expects, and that as stewards of this community we need to be extremely transparent before we do this again in the future as well as make sure that we get feedback around what the planned changes are, because lemmy.world is yours as much as it is ours.

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[-] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Friendly reminder 4chan has an entire board dedicated to posting magnet links to torrents as well as guides on how to use them in rare cases. On the clearnet. For everyone. If you don't want to be a magnet link directory, fine, that's an understandable position. Ban communities that allow magnet links. It is sheer paranoia to ban a community that merely engages in the discussion of piracy and related content and banning swaths of content on a general purpose instance defeats the entire point of 'general purpose'.

But again, telling on yourself not knowing what the fuck entitled means. You're seven layers of stupid treating piracy like it's fucking CP.

[-] muddybulldog@mylemmy.win 7 points 1 year ago

To be fair, Hiro has also been very vocal about his willingness to fight these types of battles and has private investors that support those efforts.

[-] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Well yes, but I'm not holding any site to the standard of 4chan. A lot of their content is on the edge of morality nevermind legality. I'm just trying to illustrate that this is at least a full layer of legal liability away from what a much larger site does and is still being purged out of paranoia.

[-] muddybulldog@mylemmy.win 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I 100% agree with your assessment regarding relative level of risk. On the other hand, knowing LW is hosted in Finland by a German provider does multiply their risk solely by virtue of geography.

Very few instances have proper resources for general moderation never mind sorting out the "hard questions".

The troll that started this shitshow knew exactly what they were doing. Once the admins were "alerted" they had to act in order maintain "safe harbor" provisions afforded to communications carriers and platforms. While I'm most familiar with the US DCMA, similar legislation and provisions exist in the EU and other locales. Problem is, remote community moderation is somewhat hit or miss right now due to shortcomings in the platform itself. That's if you even have the resources to look through everything and make a "reasonable" determination on a post by post or comment by comment basis. While I don't agree with the decision to block these communities I do see how the admins may have reached the conclusion that to do so was their only viable choice, at the moment.

[-] BobbyBandwidth@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Ratio.

Also lol at using 4chan as your example of how to run a site

Lemmy world clearly stated that they were not a “free speech” zone, that they would have rules, you joined anyway

[-] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This kid just said Ratio. Bro go back to your Twitter echo chamber, I've never given a shit if my opinions are popular, I care if they're right.

By all means, be the most popular idiot you can be. None of what I'm advocating for is 'free speech' you lemming, it's the contradiction of a 'general purpose' instance to ban content out of preference and masquerade it as legal liability. It's not illegal (in the United States) so if it's based there (which it likely is but I'm open to being wrong), it doesn't break the rules even though they claim it is and does. So either they're lying or are misinformed and according to Hanlon's razor, one should never attribute to malice what can be sufficiently be explained by stupidity.

So to recap It's not illegal. It shouldn't be banned. I hope the admins change their mind. Take your ratio and hang it up on the fridge for your mom.