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Can we defederate from hexbear.net?
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It can often get tense with them and I don't agree with some of their takes, but they are definitely a voice to consider seriously and worth arguing (in a polite way) with.
Unlike those conservative right echo chambers, most of them are actually educated, historically literate and smart, and they actually provide sources for their claims instead of hand waiving and using every falacy in the book.
The problem is that they are in support of regimes which are currently or historically anti LGBT+. There is no further discussion to be had. Even if they claim to be whatever, they are against us. Their ideology is incompatible with our freedom and possibly our lives.
You cannot be pro Soviet, pro Russia, pro China or whatever else and LGBT+. You would fight against that for the same reason you fight against Nazis. The ecological politics or so are irrelevant at this point. Even if you agree with that, don't forget that they want us gone.
This is so close to the Nazi bar problem and I fully understand why defederation might be the best course of action. Personally I don't know what the right call is, but I blocked the instance using the Connect app anyway.
I mean, a lot of us are pro-Cuba, which is AES and has some of the most progressive family policy in the world.
Also, your "historical" thing is just really hard to process. After all, standards change. Hell, within the "West", LGBTQ+ acceptance is barely 40 years old (and often, as we see, under attack for the gains that have been won). Was the US in the 90's really that much better for LGBTQ+ folks than the USSR before it collapsed? And while not LGBTQ specifically, the situation of women in the USSR was far superior to the West - especially in STEM..
This doesn't mean that we can't (and shouldn't) judge the lack of LGBTQ+rights in the past -- we can and should. However, Cuba's family policy shows that there's nothing inherent to communism that's "incompatible with our freedom and possibly our lives."
In summary (and here I'll post my only emoji, since there's the bug),
Of course I am referring to all the Stalin apologists on your server. Some people really want to argue for the sake of arguing.
So far no one even bothered to justify how they can even pretend to support Russia, the late Soviet Union etc. It's just a bunch of whataboutism.
It's context, not whataboutism. Keep in mind that queer interests are working class interests and vice versa.
For example, 40 percent of homeless youth in the US are queer, socialist "everyone should have a home" policies really help the most marginalized queer folks.
Support Stalin: which country liberated Auschwitz? What country wrested control of Berlin from the Nazis? The Soviet Union. "Every Party member must raise his revolutionary qualities in every respect to the same level as those of Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin" -Nelson Mandela
Support modern Russia- Russia opposes NATO, and anything that hurts the west is good. Also the current Ukraine government was founded by guys who want to "lead the white races of the world in a final crusade … against Semite-led Untermenschen." Anyone killing Nazis is good, and Russia is currently doing so. "Russians are Asians. They have a completely different culture, vision. Our key difference from them is humanity" -Aleksy Danilov, head of Ukraine national security and defense council.
In both cases, it's less of "these guys good" but of "the other guys worse."
Holy hell. This is the most ridiculous take I have read so far.
As I said before supporting those regimes or dictators is incompatible with our lives and our freedom. Therefore there is no further discussion to be had and any trans* or LGBT+ person should fight against it for the same reason we fight against Nazis.
This just proves my point and it's seriously frightening that it is even a conclusion any person in an allegedly LGBT+ friendly space would come to.
The Soviet Union pioneered many modern trans surgeries and research, particularly modern trans male surgeries. These were done in Riga for trans men with significant dysphoria and the bravery to deal with a largely queerphobic world. Remember to compare two countries from the same time period, gay and trans rights were never even thought of by any society at large in the 50s and 60s.
Also as an anecdote, my grandma was a party official in communist Czechoslovakia for a major union and had a lot of ploy in our region, almost everyone important knew her. She didn't know what being trans was until I came out to her. She immediately became the most supportive person in my life (outside of my amazing bf) and began advocating for trans and queer issues to her cadre of commie grandmas to great success. I fully believe that if the communists were still in control, LGBT rights would be much better in Eastern Europe. The issue with communists back then was largely ignorance and not knowing that anything LGBT even existed.